Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

Thids wrote:It's nice to see epic shops being added to the game, there are several things that bother me with the new one.

Let's start with the armor selection:

+4AC, +3str... banded mail... What is the purpose of this armor exactly? I would really, really like to hear an explanation. Are you trying to get more people to use banded mails? This isn't the way to go about that, you change the stats of the banded mail if you want that. Or, better yet, change the pve environment so that it doesn't require 50AC at epic levels.

Sneak items... You not only introduced a few +3 hide/ms items, which the sneak lobby (falsely) claimed were not present in game, but you went a step further and added a +4 hide/ms item to the shop. Talk about offering a finger and losing a hand. Oh, but it's okay, the +4hide/ms boots don't have AC. That's a big nerf, seeing as AC is very important when you are "sneaking" 24/7.


weapons:

Blackjack... really? Are you serious? You made a shop with blunt weapons like flails, maces, morningstars and then you make Blackjack a shortsword in disguise? If Banded mail was a move against "power creep", why wasn't the blackjack made a proper flail then? :^) Why was blackjack made a finessable weapon? We are talking about a +4EB, 1d4 piercing damage and +3hide/ms one-handed weapon which is finessable, while pretending to be a flail.

The Dark Heart, another shortsword disguised as a flail. +4eb +2 vamp regen. Yet another weapon designed for ptwf sneaks. From the last discussion about enchanting, I got the impression that vamp regen was frowned upon, or does that only count for non-sneaks?


Rest of the weapons, and the lode and whet stones seem really nice though. I still don't understand why you went ahead with the unpopular items first. If you want them used more, this is not the way to do it. Throwing disguise on flails just so you could stick with the theme of the shop while directly giving two ridiculous weapons to sneaks was a cheap shot though.

Prove what exactly? You guys cant even decide what the change is based on. Does it make a better pve character? Ofc not, but sneaks had little to no issues staying hidden in pve before. "+4 spot items exist, so we must introduce +4 hide/ms" is not a valid reason, because +6 hide items exist as well. But wasting words on this topic is useless, you guys got your way.


Okay then, I am asking those who decide which kind of items go into these shops: where is the logic in pushing for less popular items? There is a reason why the popular items are popular, and it's definitely not the availability of their enchanted versions (scimitar being the prime example). The banded mail example makes this shop far less "epic".

Thids wrote:Prove what exactly? You guys cant even decide what the change is based on.

Does it make a better pve character? Ofc not, but sneaks had little to no issues staying hidden in pve before.

"+4 spot items exist, so we must introduce +4 hide/ms" is not a valid reason, because +6 hide items exist as well.

But wasting words on this topic is useless, you guys got your way.

Okay then, I am asking those who decide which kind of items go into these shops: where is the logic in pushing for less popular items? There is a reason why the popular items are popular, and it's definitely not the availability of their enchanted versions (scimitar being the prime example). The banded mail example makes this shop far less "epic".

mrm3ntalist wrote:

Does it make a better pve character? Ofc not, but sneaks had little to no issues staying hidden in pve before.

Of course it does. My sneak with grandfathered gear ( all +4Hide/MS, on every slot), the stealthy feat, 30dex, was getting spotted by the Frost King. I repeat, with grandfathered gear on every slot. It doesnt happen often but when it does the character dies unless use ethereal and escape.

BTW you dont need epic scimitars in PvE either...

mrm3ntalist wrote:

Okay then, I am asking those who decide which kind of items go into these shops: where is the logic in pushing for less popular items? There is a reason why the popular items are popular, and it's definitely not the availability of their enchanted versions (scimitar being the prime example). The banded mail example makes this shop far less "epic".

The reason is that they treat the server like a beautiful woman and want to take it slow (( sarcasm ))

Some of us would like to see epic shops implemented, with every item. A desicion was made to start with less popular weapons and keep adding shops. Its a process i guess... Thats the logic.

Thids wrote: Frost Giant King hits me through my AC. I need +5 AC gear. And tbh if the Frost Giant King spots you, that is just weird as he was one of the few epic bosses sneaks could deal with alone.

By your own admittance, adding these items does not help, so the issue is obviously somewhere with the frost giant oooooooor, you roll over 100 with your epic gear

I don't need an epic scimitar, I do okay with a regular +4 one and an epic one won't change my character much if at all. Do I want an epic scimitar? Of course I do. I don't even need more bluff items even though I can't feint anything past regular frost giants. Do I want more bluff on various items? Of course I do. We don't really need any epic gear, plain +4 stuff is enough. But where is the fun in that?

As I said, this topic really doesn't need revisiting as I will hardly change your minds, and some of the items are in already. I know you do not need the new sneak items, but honestly neither did new sneaks. Bias comes from plenty of places, not just your own character. In fact in the sneak gear discussion we have had half a year ago, majority of the sneak bias was faction related IMO.

Well... if the server is a beautiful woman... I know quite a few people who would say "she fell down the stairs" after the big update

mrieder79 wrote:Glad everyone is enjoying the shop so much.