The "Epic Store"

[Randomgamer]

I don't do quests. They are boring and repetitive metagaming in my opinion. How many times can a halfling lose a key in the same dungeon? I don't grind dungeons to get loot, so no, I can't really sell things at auction. I leveled my main character to 30 mostly through RP.

What I represent is the person that plays 2 hours per night (at most), and is true to an RP-first mentality. I am the person that this offends because it WILL cause me to leave when I see that my game play style can't keep up with the Joneses. It's playing against the house, and I don't like the idea of it. My lvl 30 character will NEVER be good enough when others have the chance to get gear like this that I won't. It's simple math, really.

Heya! Do what you find enjoyable and other people do what they find enjoyable. Don't allow some perceived concept of fairness allow you to lose your enjoyment of the game. Can this system be improved? Probably in some respects, sure. In the end no system will ever be completely fair and always subject to opinion. Personally I wish you could quest to gain items, but that is just me and my opinion. I heard that crafting is in the works and not too far off so that will be an option in the near future. Some characters will be more powerful then others based on builds or equipment or both. Shine in ways you know how to and contribute in ways you find enriching.

[kellendril]

This entire thread is made under the presumption that DMs will not be handing out items at all like it has been.

Ok, let's stop this for a moment right here: I have zero problem with the way the DM team hands out rewards. I never implied that, nor did I think it.

Many of the team who built this shop and those that made sure it was done a certain way felt that having these items IG for purchase allows not only purchasable epic gear but also since it is able to be obtained by everyone then DMs can now hand out more rewards to players as well of equal worth and epicness.

To buy these things, I would need to grind, heavily. I guess some people are missing that point of my postings.

For you excellent RPers who are not grinders like myself I forsee a much more profitable future.

Not sure if sarcasm?

Maybe you need to get out there and RP and get into some events then?

Events seem to not fit my schedule. I have a family that comes well before this game. If I get online on Saturday at noon, it's a special occasion.

Before you knock the shop and cry foul see how it pans out over the next half a year as we adjust to it.

Can you honestly say that you don't see how this might alter the server?

As it stands right now it just sounds like a little Jimmy crying because little Bobby got the new toy but little Jimmy is mad because he did not work for it like little Bobby who saved his allowance for the new toy while little Jimmy decided to do other things instead.

This is just plain offensive material here. I've worked harder to level my character through RP than you seem to understand. I don't understand why you needed to slam me like this. Thanks for the send-off.

[Darkcloud777]

Sooo... I met a player the other day who spotted me even with all of this "Epic" gear I recently bought. spent some time in tells after. come to find out that his "Grandfathered" gear sort of puts this "epic" Gear to shame. He put it this way (80 Listen and a 77 Spot. base). with spells and wands my max hide is 92 (Greater heroism +4, spider skin +8, mass camophage + 10?, and all of the gear). I will never be able to hide from him. My move silent at Max is lower than his base of 80.

My point here is........ while this gear may seem powerful its not. with this gear at least I have a chance of getting on a more level playing field with the players who run around with "grandfathered" Gear.

What you are talking about is not the gear (though you can't get base 80 and 77 in anything, but I don't want to argue semantics) but the system. Even so, ask yourself: How many players have this sort of gear? I know I don't, and I won't ever. I can't even afford the step down versions in the store, and I won't ever be able to. So, there's my point. I play maybe 8 hours each week, which can vary up or down some, but I almost never go grind for loot. I suppose what this means is we are fostering a system that promotes grinding for loot.

who was able to edit my account and add this to my post? I did not add this and it is very worrisome that someone can edit my account like that.

What you are talking about is not the gear (though you can't get base 80 and 77 in anything, but I don't want to argue semantics) but the system. Even so, ask yourself: How many players have this sort of gear? I know I don't, and I won't ever. I can't even afford the step down versions in the store, and I won't ever be able to. So, there's my point. I play maybe 8 hours each week, which can vary up or down some, but I almost never go grind for loot. I suppose what this means is we are fostering a system that promotes grinding for loot.

Nobody edited your account...I posted a reply and it glitched.

[kellendril]

Apparently when I reply to darkcloud there is a problem.

[Boddynock]

I seem to hear things like this often that lead me to believe there is a segment of the players base that largely spends their time roleplaying non-adventure scenarios, yet wants to be as powerful as those PCs out slaying big bad beasties all the time.

Honestly, I am of the opinion that RP xp should simply turn off after level 15. If you want to mostly do campfire/tavern RP, that's fine, do it. But it is immersion breaking for me to see someone who I only ever see sitting in a tavern or around a fire talking bust out ninth level spells and epic loots.

If you want the power and wealth that comes from being an adventurer, you should have to actually be an adventurer. That grinding isn't grinding, it's adventuring.

[Darkcloud777]

Apparently when I reply to darkcloud there is a problem.

lol now i know who replied and I am not so worried anymore. most likely it glitches because I moderate the guild forum?

[kellendril]

I seem to hear things like this often that lead me to believe there is a segment of the players base that largely spends their time roleplaying non-adventure scenarios, yet wants to be as powerful as those PCs out slaying big bad beasties all the time.

Honestly, I am of the opinion that RP xp should simply turn off after level 15. If you want to mostly do campfire/tavern RP, that's fine, do it. But it is immersion breaking for me to see someone who I only ever see sitting in a tavern or around a fire talking bust out ninth level spells and epic loots.

If you want the power and wealth that comes from being an adventurer, you should have to actually be an adventurer. That grinding isn't grinding, it's adventuring.

I've spent plenty of time in parties, boddy. Don't misread that. I don't like to solo grind, I far prefer being around other PCs, else I would play some other game. Just because you never see the roleplay happening WITH the expeditions does not mean it does not happen. It doe, at least in my case.

[kellendril]

Apparently when I reply to darkcloud there is a problem.

lol now i know who replied and I am not so worried anymore. most likely it glitches because I moderate the guild forum?

haha..now it works right..I have no idea..

[Blame The Rogue]

i enjoy being ic, as well as exploration/combat

i mean no offense when i say this; D&D and games based on D&D are built on the premise that the players will play a character that is an adventurer, and therefore adventure, and by doing so earn gold and xp

if you only enjoy the rp aspect of the game, that i understand. but if you don't enjoy or partake in other facets of the game, there are going to be things that you and your character will miss out on

grinding is a term used when someone feels someone else adventures too much, or adventures oocly. i enjoy adventuring ic. by myself. with others. in dm events. out of dm events. i'm sure i adventure more than some, and i know i adventure less than others. also, i enjoy friendly ooc chat alongside ic chat, because that's also part of the D&D experience/social aspect of the game, and these things are okay too

while bg supports many styles of gameplay, certain types of play, will only net a character certain types of rewards

[AC81]

i indeed read your entire post kellendril

wise gameplay. soloing where one can solo and still make profit. partying where one can and still make a profit. there are certain places my archer cant solo, or even group, and make a profit, unless there's a healer in party. location is key for him, as well as what type of party he's in

the server balance will not be effected, because non-casters with a full set of hells gear will still not match a dragon druid, bard, FvS, cleric, that the server mobs at the high ends are balanced against. this gear just gives non-casters a leg up in the right direction

gold is available for all to earn, at whatever pace suits the player/character

no worries. we can agree to disagree

Re-read everyone. This shop narrows the gap.
If grinding, trading or earning coin in other ways doesn't float your RP boat, then this shop shouldn't be the thing to sink said boat. My grandfathered/beyond epically equipped fighter is still no match for casters but at least he can now go confidently into more areas!

Edit: From a selfish note - this shop HAS hurt me and other players like me who like rp'ing trader-types. The funny thing here is that before this shop we'd get complaints that the same people have all the high end epic gear. Now everyone has the chance to get epic gear and there are complaints against getting it!!! What gives guys ?!?!?

[Boddynock]

I've spent plenty of time in parties, boddy. Don't misread that. I don't like to solo grind, I far prefer being around other PCs, else I would play some other game. Just because you never see the roleplay happening WITH the expeditions does not mean it does not happen. It doe, at least in my case.

Not trying to imply anything about you, per se, just a general observation. But I have to say, even taking an hour a week to do the Cloakwood loot run can yield between 5-15 thousand on average (if not more, honestly).

I mean, I've never even had a level 30 character, but even before I was as wealthy as I am now, gold was easy to make if I wanted it. And while I am not a particularly large fan of this shop either (for other reasons) the fact is everyone does have equal opportunity to get the items, but equal opportunity does not mean, and never will mean, equal outcome.

[kellendril]

What I find most interesting is the amount of focus on me and my individual play style to the exclusion of the concern I voiced, which I know is not only mine.

I will bluntly redirect: This store is unfair to a reasonably large segment of the population. I just chose to speak up

[kellendril]

What gives guys ?!?!?

I can't foresee a scenario where I and many others will ever be able to afford this gear, so it tips the balance against us

[Blame The Rogue]

and that's where we disagree

it isn't unfair, that someone that adventures, is able to achieve better gear, or at least at a faster pace, than someone who doesn't adventure

i respect the opinion of everyone that has posted

it's okay to agree to disagree, and i will do so, and move on. happy gaming

[Tantive]

*snip* Now everyone has the chance to get epic gear and there are complaints against getting it!!! What gives guys ?!?!?

The complaint has been around how disconnected the shop has been with roleplay. How much it has effected previous gathered gear. If one has to compare for instance, with the time and effort one spends to finish a singular rp campaign, (which doesnt get you epic gear like the shop offers - in fact you need to do several campaigns to come near the quality of goods.), it still doesn't compare to the rewards offered for dungeon running over multiple characters. Hack'n slash.