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Re: Make Sorcerers Great Again

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:08 am
by Lockonnow
remember that you need to use int to get skills point to if a sorcerer need skills point it will get weaking to

Re: Make Sorcerers Great Again

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:28 am
by metaquad4
Maybe instead of a bonus feat every 5 sorcerer levels, it could get +1 DC and +1 CL every 5 sorcerer levels, up to sorcerer 20.

This would serve to represent a sorcerer's natural affinity for magic and how it translates to slightly more powerful spells at the expense of a poor spell selection (depending on how deep one does into sorcerer). And, of course, it would give people a reason to go past sorcerer 6 (or sorcerer 5, if you go frost mage).

Re: Make Sorcerers Great Again

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:22 am
by Invoker
Tsidkenu wrote: As I said earlier, if you want bonus feats, if you want extra skills, if you want versatility and 245 spells in your spell book, remake your sorcerer into a wizard! :roll:

Those are the drawbacks you need to accept when you choose Sorcerer :P
+1.

Sorcerers are more powerful than Wizards, as far as "mechanical raw power" is concerned, the moment you get the ASoC PrC. Spontaneous casting + Imp. Metamagic is the strongest option an arcane caster can benefit from, dot.

Sorcerers don't need any more power. They reach good DCs, and even though they usually are a point or two below a specialist DC Wizard, they can re-cast the spells they need on demand, without preparation. Giving them more DC would be absurd.

They do need the possibility to switch spells at level-ups, though: that's a QoL improvement that is very much needed, when RCRing is so costly, time-wise.

I didn't think I would ever see another request to buff Sorcerers or Wizards...that's 2011 stuff.

Re: Make Sorcerers Great Again

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:10 pm
by Aspect of Sorrow
Invoker wrote:
Tsidkenu wrote: As I said earlier, if you want bonus feats, if you want extra skills, if you want versatility and 245 spells in your spell book, remake your sorcerer into a wizard! :roll:

Those are the drawbacks you need to accept when you choose Sorcerer :P
+1.

Sorcerers are more powerful than Wizards, as far as "mechanical raw power" is concerned, the moment you get the ASoC PrC. Spontaneous casting + Imp. Metamagic is the strongest option an arcane caster can benefit from, dot.

Sorcerers don't need any more power. They reach good DCs, and even though they usually are a point or two below a specialist DC Wizard, they can re-cast the spells they need on demand, without preparation. Giving them more DC would be absurd.

They do need the possibility to switch spells at level-ups, though: that's a QoL improvement that is very much needed, when RCRing is so costly, time-wise.

I didn't think I would ever see another request to buff Sorcerers or Wizards...that's 2011 stuff.
+1

Re: Make Sorcerers Great Again

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:44 pm
by Sun Wukong
They do need the possibility to switch spells at level-ups, though: that's a QoL improvement that is very much needed, when RCRing is so costly, time-wise.
+1, because even if a full-RCR were offered to Sorcerers, you still have to find a DM and sit in nexus going through the level up screen one level by one.

Re: Make Sorcerers Great Again

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:50 pm
by Nachti
Perhaps a feat similiar to "Extra Invocation" can be created should spell pick at epic levels truly be hardcoded.