Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

Sun Wukong wrote:Warmace (1d12 20/x3 weapon on this server).

Anyhow, while Northlander Hewing is great on high strength characters due to high strength giving higher AB and Damage... I think IPA still has its edge on builds that get most of their AB from feats such as the Weapon Focus-line. For example, with Epic Weapon Focus and Melee Mastery you are looking at +6 AB, which is the same as the AB benefit from +12 strength. This allows a character with base strength in the 20-30 range to achieve high enough ABs to negate the -6 AB from IPA or ICE. Not to mention that both ICE and IPA are found in the fighter bonus feat list.

Thus while Northlander Hewing in my opinion is solid pick for strength based barbarians, cavaliers, and Divine Power casters, I think those with 12+ fighter levels are actually better off combining the AB feats with IPA. For example, my EDM based Fighter/Blackguard/Frenzied Berserker/Divine Champion does not exactly need Northlander Hewing.

Very good additions SW. I would argue that with an EDM build where you have to take PA to qualify you are still better off going for NH rather than IPA. Now, depending on feats you may just want to stick with PA or not use anything to go EDM+shield since it's static. However, if we are using the previous example where you have a PC with a great weapon (d12 damage) you can see below that NH outshines the damage per round of either going EDM with no IPA or NH or going EDM with IPA. Obviously the actual attack bonus of the character and the AC of the enemy is not static and thus these calculations are only applicable to the specific scenario of 40AC and 46AB. However, as you can see NH is the clear winner in damage per round. As an added bonus, it has more synergy with EDM since NH bonuses are the same while using a shield as they are two handing. Thus for a high AC Sword and Board build, NH will be a damage boost for the EDM character and will far outshine IPA.

AC 40
AB has no penalty so it is 46.
Now, my personal opinion is EDM works best with either a shield or a TWF build, rather than a great weapon. However, to make comparison comparable we'll stick with a d12 weapon using two handed:
Atk 1: 95% hit; damage = ~6.5 + 10 (STR) + 14 (EDM) + 4 (EB) = 34.5*.95= 32.775
Atk 2: 95% hit, 32.775
Atk 3: 85% hit, 29.325
Atk 4: 60% hit, 20.7
Atk 5: 35% hit, 12.075
Atk 6: 10% hit, 3.45
Total average damage (with no crit) = 131.1 per round.

With IPA...
Atk 1: 95% hit; damage = ~6.5+18+12+14+4 = 54.5*.95= 51.775
Atk 2: 75% hit; damage = 54.5*.75= 40.875
Atk 3: 50% hit; damage = 54.5*.5 = 27.25
Atk 4: 25% hit; damage = 54.5*.25 = 13.625
Atk 5: 5% hit; damage = 54.5*.05 = 2.7025
Atk 6: 5% hit; damage = 54.5*.05 = 2.7025
Total average damage (with no crit) = 138.93

With NH...
Atk 1: 95% hit; damage = 12+18+12+14+4 = 60*.95= 57
Atk 2: 95% hit; damage = 60*.95= 57
Atk 3: 70% hit; damage = 60*.70= 42
Atk 4: 45% hit; damage = 60*.45= 27
Total average damage (withno crit) = 183

Scorpius, anyone can edit the wiki, that's exactly what it is for ! If you notice a bug report it in the forum and if it's more of a feature than a bug (like NH and crits) then write the info in the wiki if it's missing

Thing is., sorry about what I'm about to say...
I think you are reading.. Hmm we say in French. Tu lis en diagonale... You are missing some of what I'm saying


We canot edit in game description and I was suggesting of changing in game description to add those info to match reality

As not everyone (like much new players) often don't even botter going on wiki


For your advice of helping you on wiki I will for sure when time is right tho

Scorpius wrote:
Then again... Not everyone look on wiki to check... Why not change the in game text to match... If you can't change the bug why don't you change text of when you pick the feats to match its current action... So in the head of the player there would be no bug you understand?

Speaking of the in game feats
I think you missed that part XD


The in game feats should have this added to description on selection screen

It should tell about
- that the dam added does not affect any dr
- that if two weapon fighting and using whirlwind attack it uses off hand
- that all maximized die are not multiplied on crit

This is not done with wiki lol

Scorpius wrote:- that if two weapon fighting and using whirlwind attack it uses off hand

Needs confirmation as not really sure how this would work and even if that is the case there is no reason it would only do this when NH is active and not in any other situation. Does not make any sense, do you have screenshots and/or combat logs? When I get a chance I'll create a test character with Tempest or Ranger and NH to check it out.

Well this was tested with valefort in the past... We talked about it some other post some time ago when we were on the dervish tempest bugs
We covered this chapter already

If I find the post I will forward it to you




See exactly what I'm saying not everyone read all forum... This makes confusion...

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=64857


Here you go for full details of the test


(the TW that is spoken about in that thread is ok now. only take the main hand / off hand exemple from it, all the other things are solved already, this is only used as exemple)

also the answer about it was given by valefort in a private chat we were having to correct bugs on the way.

here is his answer about the NH using off hand wpn on dual weapon fighting

Valefort
Message subject: Re: List of common bugs and solutionsFolder: Inbox
Vas y sans NH et les calculs seront les bons. Pas trop moyen de changer le comportement général içi, NH te retire des attaques et c'est le résultat avec whirlwind.
Sent: Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:48 pm

here we were speaking about whirlwind action using NH that change the hand used to make the attack with TW or W or IW. so changing it from main to off hand.

so this is a known bug aobut it wich was never said publicly I guess

What I suggest is, instead of saying this is a bug, since this is a custom feats, why not just say
Here this is what it does actually

speaking of all of it, not only this part
you know what I mean ?

Yes I see, changing the in game descriptions to precise the issues is a good idea, edit away the wiki one (be concise !) and i'll change the TLK accordingly (et oui je lis tes posts en diagonale, ils sont vraiment difficiles à lire je trouve, dsl).

M'excuse XD lol

T'aimes mieux que je te texte en Francais ?

Else you could read them till the end lol your choice

Ahah moi je préfère en français mais je doute que ce soit le cas de tout le monde ici