Red Wizard class changes requested.

[JCVD1]

A sun elf wizard can achieve the same DC (or close) wiithout losing a school of magic and even some builds with Shadow adept are far better. The pros Vs the cons are simply not worth it.

[Blackman D]

thats always the bad thing about adding a prc that basically undercuts another when it was heavily restricted for whatever reason, logically you would have to ease or undo the restrictions because now they dont make any sense to have

its pretty much how dragon disciple finally made it back in (that and completely rebuilt to not be so OP )

i would imagine tho they may be coding issues with figuring out which spells they had before they took RW levels but i dont script

this may be a can of worms but with the content nowadays probably not, but what about keeping it how it is but fixing the circle magic issue? from the sounds of it that would balance it out?

[JCVD1]

It used to be fine. There was nothing to be done to the class (except the chosing of which schools became opposite schools). A lot of extra coding first made it impossible to take the first level later than lvl 6, then they made sure that you couldn't benefit from taking the levels at a later time, through more scripting. A lot of effort to make sure the class was crippled.

Fixing Circle magic would simply make the ability actually useable and make it useful.

Circle magic requires other Red Wizard.Seen any RW running about?

[Blackman D]

im in the UD its dark down here, i dont see anybody

[Steve]

Dude, you won’t see any Red Wizards until Red Wizards actually have some reason to be played on BGTSCC.

There is zero benefit in RPing a RW atm. Sure, any one individual can easily come up with umpteen reasons to play a RW, but the raison d’etre of Red Wizards is their “cult” affiliation, manifested in both mechanical and RP PPPOOOOWWWEEERRRRRRR!

IE group RP. IE circle magic. IE connection to Thay. Etc.

But THAT isn’t on the agenda, for the Server, currently, nor has been for some time.

FWIW.

[Druchii]

Dude, you won’t see any Red Wizards until Red Wizards actually have some reason to be played on BGTSCC.

There is zero benefit in RPing a RW atm. Sure, any one individual can easily come up with umpteen reasons to play a RW, but the raison d’etre of Red Wizards is their “cult” affiliation, manifested in both mechanical and RP PPPOOOOWWWEEERRRRRRR!

IE group RP. IE circle magic. IE connection to Thay. Etc.

But THAT isn’t on the agenda, for the Server, currently, nor has been for some time.

FWIW.

Wanna make some Reds then guys?!

[K'yon Oblodra]

You are way too busy in the UD to play a Red Wizard!!!

[Druchii]

You are way too busy in the UD to play a Red Wizard!!!

[Max Hatchet]

I have a currently in-active RW who works fine mechanicaly

I don’t see the point in changing it. You need some downside to it. They are strong enough. Gives it some flavour.

I don’t see the connection between the mechanics and the lore.

I think the conflict between RWs and escaped Thayan slaves is fun.

Conflict thro RP is fun.

I actually suggested on the RW discord server that Thayans should be at least 15th lvl before they can be actual Red Wizards as they are meant to be the elite of their nation

[cosmic ray]

Level 5 usually is high enough to be considered elite, but I guess in a world where everyone is level 30...

[Druchii]

Well I've now made a Red Wiz and will keep him about in case people want to play.

He's at 6 as I just converted over my Thayan Knight character.

Soros Enim.

[Max Hatchet]

I made a normal Thayan Enclave wizard and was not rping being a red till later

[Rask]

This is one of the (many) reasons the guild is dead right now. The RW class is straight up worse than a lot of other custom classes due to its restrictions. Its the same with the Thayan Knight class as well, it's also a bad class for building, but both classes are required for RP. People just dont want to play evil that can be easily outclassed by everyone else on the server, it makes a person feel ineffective or useless.

[JCVD1]

Shhhh Rask, let people who never experienced properly the faction and/or the class tell you how wrong you are brah!

[Infernal Dave]

It used to be fine.

That's where you lost me lol. RW was never fine, we've been having this exact conversation internally (and occasionally in public view) since I started on the server 10 frickin years ago.