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I dont mind vulgarity, even though my characters never really swear. What drives me crazy and pulls me right out of the game (and in BSG's case, the show), is blatant replacements for vulgarity. Pretty much any four letter curse word starting with F that isn't (do-me) is obviously just trying to be (do-me) without saying it. Its about as immersion breaking as it gets for me.Rhifox wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:01 pm (I'd point to 'frak' from BSG as a much better example of an in-universe curse. It is elevated up and used regularly to the point it clearly becomes part of the setting's language, still used in an otherwise mature setting, existing for flavor instead of censorship).
FarScape had the best conlang swearing. Not only did each culture have its own particular curse words, they even paid attention to conjugation. "Frell you, you frelling frellnick. Get Frelled."Zkenic wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:39 amI dont mind vulgarity, even though my characters never really swear. What drives me crazy and pulls me right out of the game (and in BSG's case, the show), is blatant replacements for vulgarity. Pretty much any four letter curse word starting with F that isn't (do-me) is obviously just trying to be (do-me) without saying it. Its about as immersion breaking as it gets for me.Rhifox wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:01 pm (I'd point to 'frak' from BSG as a much better example of an in-universe curse. It is elevated up and used regularly to the point it clearly becomes part of the setting's language, still used in an otherwise mature setting, existing for flavor instead of censorship).
Mind you, I do not mind vulgarity that fits the lore. ( think knife-ears is a good example of that.
Hey now, my 21st century United States is full of all the sorts of debauchery antithetical to puritanism.cosmic ray wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:02 am Replacing real obscenities for made up ones is very childish. It doesn't even work to weaken the message because it's the context in which the words are used, and not the words themselves, that matters. It's also why not even being able to cite these words when talking about them is also very childish.
We are often told, and rightly so, that real-world sensibilities and morality have no place in the Forgotten Realms if they clash with the setting, so I don't think that American puritanism should be an exception to that. It has no more a place in the Forgotten Realms than the cultural and social aspects of other real-world regions that the rest of the playerbase that isn't American may come from. It's the Forgotten Realms, not 21st century United States.
Curses and Epithets
Like everyone else, Faerûnians cuss from time to time. Here are a few of the most popular Heart-lands profanities.
“Haularake” (hah-rake; pronounced very quickly, as if it has but two syllables) is the all-faiths, acceptable in polite society equivalent of “gods darn it all, anyway.” “Sark” (ssark, drawn-out “s”) is a more pow-erful form of “haularake,” equivalent to “gods damn it all!” “Hrast” (hur-rast) is a non-deity-specific “damn.”
“Hrammar” (hur-ram-uh) is a “hrast” equiva-lent used in the Shining South. “Naeth” (naythh, drawn-out “th”) is the equivalent of saying “dung.” “Naed” (nayd) is a stronger form of “naeth.”
“Orbal” (or-ball) is the Shining South equiva-lent of “naeth.”
“Sabruin” (sah-broo-in) is the equivalent of “— you” or “— off.”
“Tluin” (tuh-loo-in) is the most emphatic way of saying “sabruin.”
“Stlarn” (stuh-larn) or “stlarning” is a mild expletive, about equivalent to “screw,” as in “Bah! They can’t do one simple thing without stlarning up!”
“Hrasting” (hur-rast-ing) is a mild form of “stlarning,” not associated with “hrast.”
“Straek” (strrake, drawn-out “r”) means “go drown yourself, right now and painfully.”Then there are longer oaths. These are many and fanciful, but a handful see widespread use in a shortened, expletive-handy form.
“Bind me!” (long form “Bind me and tar me”) is a slightly stronger equivalent of “Weell, strike me down!”
“Dark!” (long form “Dark and empty!”) is the equivalent of saying “Damn and blast!”
“Hells!” (long form “Those of all the Nine Hells take you!”) began as the Faerûnian equiva-lent of saying “The devil take you,” but is now closer to “Hell take us all.”
“Red garters!” (long form “I’ll turn out your guts for blood red garters!”) which means, “Ho, you’re going to catch it.”
One mildly comical oath, still said in earnest by older Faerûnians, usually when astonished, is: “Happy dancing hobgoblins!” (Hobgoblins do not say this, and are not amused when they hear it.)
Mind you, I don't support debauchery of any sort, but neither do I support self-appointed moral guardians censoring others, especially in roleplaying video game fantasy settings, where you should be free to roleplay even the nastiest characters.Zkenic wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:09 pmHey now, my 21st century United States is full of all the sorts of debauchery antithetical to puritanism.cosmic ray wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:02 am Replacing real obscenities for made up ones is very childish. It doesn't even work to weaken the message because it's the context in which the words are used, and not the words themselves, that matters. It's also why not even being able to cite these words when talking about them is also very childish.
We are often told, and rightly so, that real-world sensibilities and morality have no place in the Forgotten Realms if they clash with the setting, so I don't think that American puritanism should be an exception to that. It has no more a place in the Forgotten Realms than the cultural and social aspects of other real-world regions that the rest of the playerbase that isn't American may come from. It's the Forgotten Realms, not 21st century United States.
If you want to fling sweeping insults at whole groups of people, then leave my thread alone. I'd argue that the insistence on using vulgar words is just as often a sign of immature rebelliousness as it is of not being a prude. Many people can have very mature conversations about sexuality and morally difficult situations without recourse to curse words. Refusing to use those words is not proof-positive of childishness. It is just as easily a sign of maturity in the form of self-control and linguistic facility (there are sooo many great words in English that are both more precise and more aesthetically pleasing). I'll also concede that using vulgarity is not always proof-positive of immaturity, but my point stands that you can't fling dirt the other way on that. And there are places where vulgarity makes sense, but casual conversation isn't one of them.cosmic ray wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:02 am Replacing real obscenities for made up ones is very childish. It doesn't even work to weaken the message because it's the context in which the words are used, and not the words themselves, that matters. It's also why not even being able to cite these words when talking about them is also very childish.
We are often told, and rightly so, that real-world sensibilities and morality have no place in the Forgotten Realms if they clash with the setting, so I don't think that American puritanism should be an exception to that. It has no more a place in the Forgotten Realms than the cultural and social aspects of other real-world regions that the rest of the playerbase that isn't American may come from. It's the Forgotten Realms, not 21st century United States.
Got an example for this premise?cosmic ray wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:26 pm I rarely swear in real life. We're talking about characters, though, aren't we? I am not my characters. Strange how characters that swear a little, or a lot, upset some people so much, but characters that murder or rape don't.
To mind mind, this is the important bit in this discussion tbh.cosmic ray wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:26 pmYou're still swearing and your intention and message is the same as if you were using the "forbidden" words; you're just using different words to express the same things.
In regards to the above commentPlanehopper wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:33 pm Or just respect the rules of the game you're playing. Anyone who has talked to me offline will attest that I curse with the best of em, but it doesnt take a 500 word essay to just follow the 'hrast'ed rules.
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