Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

Another option to boost Abjuration is to give cumulative bonuses to dispel magic checks.

SF Abj = +3
GSF Abj = +3 (+6 cumulative)
ESF Abj = +4 (+10 cumulative)

With ESF Abj these become:

Lesser Dispel = 1d20 +15 (not just +5)
Dispel Magic & Wall of Dispel Magic = 1d20 +20 (not just +10)
Greater Dispel & Wall of Greater Dispel= 1d20 +25 (not just +15)
Mords = 1d20 +CL +10

This way an Abjurer specialist would have a 5% chance of successfully dispelling a CL 29 with only 3rd level Dispel Magic, 20% chance with Greater Dispel. Obviously these numbers could be adjusted higher or lower but people boast on this server about being 'immune to dispel'. Why shouldn't a specialist Abjurer be able to rip someone's magical defenses to utter shreds?

Another option is to increase the number of spell levels absorbed by Spell Mantles.

SF Abj = +1
GSF Abj = +2
ESF Abj = +3

With ESF Abj these become:

Least Spell Mantle: 1d4+7
Lesser Spell Mantle 1d6+9
Spell Mantle 1d8+11
Greater Spell Mantle 1d12+13

I always wanted to make an Incantatrix. Heh.

Abjurers focus on protective spells. Instead of boosting offensive ability, it can boost defensive ability by increasing dispel resistance by 1 cl for all effects that can be dispelled (up to 30 CL). So then, someone investing 3 feats into it, can have their 27 cl buff being 27 cl in terms of duration/effect, but 30 cl in terms of being dispelled.

EasternCheesE wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:36 am Abjurers focus on protective spells. Instead of boosting offensive ability, it can boost defensive ability by increasing dispel resistance by 1 cl for all effects that can be dispelled (up to 30 CL). So then, someone investing 3 feats into it, can have their 27 cl buff being 27 cl in terms of duration/effect, but 30 cl in terms of being dispelled.

The dispel spell line is also abjuration, though...

DaloLorn wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:11 am

EasternCheesE wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:36 am Abjurers focus on protective spells. Instead of boosting offensive ability, it can boost defensive ability by increasing dispel resistance by 1 cl for all effects that can be dispelled (up to 30 CL). So then, someone investing 3 feats into it, can have their 27 cl buff being 27 cl in terms of duration/effect, but 30 cl in terms of being dispelled.

The dispel spell line is also abjuration, though...

Which does actually make even more sense. Abjurers can both get +1 dispel DC with +1 dispel resistance per spell focus since they know how to form spells in protective manner and how to break such protection.
Higher dispel DC part though would be highly unwelcomed by players, i suppose.

DaloLorn wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:11 am

EasternCheesE wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:36 am Abjurers focus on protective spells. Instead of boosting offensive ability, it can boost defensive ability by increasing dispel resistance by 1 cl for all effects that can be dispelled (up to 30 CL). So then, someone investing 3 feats into it, can have their 27 cl buff being 27 cl in terms of duration/effect, but 30 cl in terms of being dispelled.

The dispel spell line is also abjuration, though...

Which does actually make even more sense. Abjurers can both get +1 dispel DC with +1 dispel resistance per spell focus since they know how to form spells in protective manner and how to break such protection.
Higher dispel DC part though would be highly unwelcomed by players, i suppose.

EasternCheesE wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:36 am Abjurers focus on protective spells. Instead of boosting offensive ability, it can boost defensive ability by increasing dispel resistance by 1 cl for all effects that can be dispelled (up to 30 CL). So then, someone investing 3 feats into it, can have their 27 cl buff being 27 cl in terms of duration/effect, but 30 cl in terms of being dispelled.

I like this idea! I have many gish ideas that are CL 27, and I’d easily be able to fit in ESF: Abjuration to became dispel proof!!

Why not both? Harder to dispel and better at dispelling.

Rhifox wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:38 pm Why not both? Harder to dispel and better at dispelling.

Well...now you're just teasing with double Christmas presents!!!

Rhifox wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:38 pm Why not both? Harder to dispel and better at dispelling.

Well, technically, it makes epic abjurer to have 15% better chance to dispel stuff and 15% less chance they will be dispelled themself. I added that "up to 30 CL" solely because people can go insane with doing 36 CL PC, which will turn into 39 CL PC when it comes to being dispelled.

Actually, another fun thing for abjurer would be that if they dispel something, there is 50% chance they don't lose spellslot (but i'm not sure if it's implementable at all).

Honestrly i welcome any change to it, since its now a bit weaker compared to other schools after some homebrew buffs. I would however suggest a buff in the form of strong abjuration spells, maybe save or suck spells that would benefit from the spell focus extra DC. I used to play on a server with the dispell bonus thing and it made the feat pretty much a requirement for any mage, and if we are talking about dispell res in the same feat, thats even stronger. Mages are already feat hungry and this change will pretty much demand it of most builds, at least its how it is on servers with that change. (Its usually a bonus dispell for the spell focus and a bonus dispell res for the abjur defense feat tho)

EasternCheesE wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:46 pm

Rhifox wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:38 pm Why not both? Harder to dispel and better at dispelling.

Well, technically, it makes epic abjurer to have 15% better chance to dispel stuff and 15% less chance they will be dispelled themself. I added that "up to 30 CL" solely because people can go insane with doing 36 CL PC, which will turn into 39 CL PC when it comes to being dispelled.

Actually, another fun thing for abjurer would be that if they dispel something, there is 50% chance they don't lose spellslot (but i'm not sure if it's implementable at all).

It's not technically something that can be done (based on my examination of the Wild Mage scripts way back; refunding spell slots is something they hacked around by force resting the PC, which was accompanied by comments on how it was a double-edged sword because of all the buffs it would strip). However, we have a number of possible workarounds:

• Reignite Evocation allows us to recast our last evocation within 10 rounds. This functionality could probably be repurposed to allow us to recast our last dispel within +INFINITY rounds, provided they dispelled a spell and subsequently rolled a 2 on their d2. I'm guessing this would be Lesser Dispel/Dispel for SF:A, Greater Dispel for GSF:A, and Disjunction/Disjoin Magic for ESF:A. (I would probably allow it to work with Dissonant Chord's anti-magic song, too.)
• Alternatively, we could make a reserve dispel feat, which allowed you to cast an infinite amount of weaker dispels as long as you had a stronger one prepared:
  • Preparing Dispel Magic with the SF:A feat could allow you to cast Lesser Dispel at-will.
  • Preparing Greater Dispel with the GSF:A feat could allow you to cast Dispel Magic at-will.
  • Preparing Disjunction/Disjoin Magic (or having 5 levels of Dissonant Chord) with the ESF:A feat could allow you to cast Greater Dispel at-will.