This is such off rant that i did not even need to finish to the end.YYA wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:21 am And anyhow, a thought popped up in my head about all of this. Since I brought up those Menzoberranzan Lolthites, I have to admit that this server does not exactly offer fertile grounds for that kind of Underdark role-play. At the time of the split between Surface and the Underdark, a majority of players tended to be arcanists of one kind or another, who upon had the great freedom to just Mord/Bigby Six any uppity priestess of Lolth. It played a role why the city of S'shamath was eventually created on this server, because in a sense, the Drow players were already rather upset that their characters would be split away from the rest of the server, and instead of the freedom to decide their charatcer fates, they would be more less stuck to saying things like: 'Yes ilharess' -- to every single level one cleric of Lolth that happened to log in. Thus if these players wanted their characters to achieve something, they would have to either roll a priestess of Lolth of their own, which in turn brings us to the pecking order among the priestesses of Lolth... Either it is based on "Cleric v. Cleric" PvP, or simply favour with the Dungeon Masters, and the longevity of any character tends to garner Dungeon Master favour in quantities that is not easily overcome or bested. Not to mention how Menzoberranzan Lolthite role-play tends to manifest servers where you have something like ten clerics of Lolth for every character that is not, and it is simply because the 'servile' role-play tends to grow old rather fast. Not to mention that even if you use your cunning to become an unseen puppet master -- the moment a particular cleric character no longer logs in, well, you kind of lost a large portion of your influence in a female dominated Lolth worshipping drow city. Thus, when I consider the actual player characters of time, the creation of the S'shamath was really the best choice that could have done. Sure, it is a Wizard dominated mercantile city, but at least your character doesn't have to wear high heels and thongs while cracking a whip, and the mercantile nature of the city tends to give role-playing avenues for all kinds of other characters. But even with all that said, the Underdark players who want that Menzoberranzzan Lolthite role-play seem to really loath the city of S'shamath, because it is not the city they would prefer to have. Thus, when it comes to the topic of access to the surface, it is seen as an opportunity to practice the evil deeds of a Menzoberranzan Lolthite -- those chaotic evil deeds to please their goddess and to earn her favour. And that in turn will create the same old PvP issues, because no matter how many of offensive spells you cast on the streets of Beregost, you still have not achieved anything unless you have a Dungeon Master to control the NPCs... Which means that without constant Dungeon Master support, a group of Menzoberranzan Lolthites can only really attack players who mostly sit by the countless campfires. No matter what the hour of the day is, there is always someone there. Now, if you consider how some players might consider their characters as a direct extension of their own person, these players will soon complain about the PvP even if they happen to win it. Which, springs to mind one Half-Elf Warrior of Darkness of mine that happened to be a secret worshipper Bhaal. The worship of Bhaal requires murders committed in the name of Bhaal, you can check that up. Thus at one point, I actually ended up finding a way into the Upperdark, and I did run around utterly lost down there for few hours, and when I finally managed to backtrack to wherever I had come from, (I was no where near to finding Rockrun or S'shamath), I encountered a grinding party of some kind. Some gnome warlock on the left side, some woman on the middle, and the third left no impression whatsoever. My own character was down to 1/3rd or 2/3rd of his hitpoints, and this party spread out to block passage through without provoking attacks of opportunity. As a Bhaal supporter, my character was not the nicest guy to begin with, who then encounters three strangers in a dungeon after being lost in the 'Underdark' for who knows how long -- the three perform mindless greetings, I emote hostility -- the warlock decides to start spamming invocations -- and so I have my character attack the woman in the middle. My charatcer quickly loses to the fully buffed up party, as I had expected, and before I can toss them a Mithral armor as prize of their victory (had found it along the way, no use for myself), the player of that female character starts complaining and continues to complain and begins to demand OOC information about my character over tells for about 30 or so minutes until I just logged off. Come next reset, I used the borked up disguise tool to bug out my character's name, and changed the deity of that character into something else. As for the Mithral armor, either sold at a mistakenly low price in the consignment store, or just left into a campfire. I do not know who those three were and I do not care to know, but I would wager that the more Drow characters are on the surface, the more interactions like that will play out. Either some Paladin attacks Eilistraeean Moon Nudists, or some Menzoberranzan Lolcow goes to Hilltop Ruins to PvP under level tens.
And now I look at that wall of text, and roll even my own eyes. Anyhow, the kill on sight rules do not prevent your character from going to the surface in order to role-play. If you want to do something hostile, send a tell asking first, and people can usually work something out.
Oh, and I have nothing against some Surface grinding areas for the UD characters, some village with a quest to set houses on fire for 200 experience, and villagers to slay. As for some higher level area, maybe some castle guarded by human warriors to attack? But a grinding area like that would be quite evil indeed... So nothing like it will be added to the server, so Underdark players must request for a Dungeon Master support for such an events -- and hosting such events is not necessarily what a dungeon master wants to do.
Eilistraeen begging? Llothites playing only to do evil deeds on surface?
Funny. Most eilsitraeen characters that i have ever met across servers either openly and valiantly fought evil brethen or schemed behind ruining evil plots over and over. None that i knew ever begged surfacers for help. Quite contrary, saving captured elves, carrying off dead elven bodies, saving adventurers in UD.
My friend who began here along me with his good drow, elsewhere locked a priestess in a celll when interrogating black archer and shot her and her bodyguards trough bars dead. He kept being pvped by elves and despite that he kept joining random elves and fighting on their side to fend off or kill evil UD PCs attacking them. Neither his or my characters never begged anyone. So before you begin to smear some part of characters, stop if you know nothing what given role contains.
Of course where is no interaction there is no room to play your role. If no drow does evil plots that can be stopped or opposed, if there are no raids, no captives to save, if there are no adventurers to guide or rescue because adventuring in UD gives nothing, then your role of eilistraeen is empty, pointless and no fun.
And if you think playing a llothite means to wear thongs and heels, i do not think you should comment on llothite role play either, because what you wrote is outright disrespect to most players playing a llothite.
