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That statement is full of predetermined intent, but I kinda got that vibe already. I have to ask though, it IS going to be tested before it is introduced and the questions anwersered, or do you have the power to skip that part?Like i said before though, it seems there is nothing I can say to change your mind. That is fine though. The Bladesinger will come out soon. Make your build and post here your achievements. One of us will post "I told you so".
Interesting you used Duelist, it loses it AC bonus in armor. Hence BS has a bigger AC bonus (5+6) and advances spellcasting. Re dispels see above. BTW, How much does UMD cost to cast Stone Body, Greater Stoneskin, lesser Spell Mantle, l.Mind Blank, Greater Spell Breach, True seeing, Grt Heroism, Spell Resistemnce etc. Of course the level 7 versions also have Ethereal Jaunt, Avasculate, Energy Immunity etc. Pick and choose depending on the target.An interesting idea that can be made playable if built better but nothing it can do is outside the possibilities of an SB 14 / duelist 10 / any class with UMD for example, and that one will have more damage. The CL here is too low to be permanently buffed, because of durations and dispels, that holds true for all the builds you made.
Err, all those builds have wizard, as you correctly say it was needed. The assasin one has Wizard 7, so it can cast avasulate in the same flurry with its death attacks, with +20 damage per hit (Insight). I just realised, isn't that like Auto-quicken without needing lvl 9 spells or epic feats?Also assassin does not meet the bladesinger requirements, it's either wizard or sorc, nothing else for arcane spells.
Err .. switch to rapier? Or does it have pericing resistance too? (Genuine question as I dont know)with 20 damage per hit against a 50% immunity to slashing creature with massive HP
You know if this whole thing has been about addressing some good/evil balance issue then just say so. I dont mind. I've played across the spectrum.Blame the wider and more powerful options evil alignments have.
), go nightclub, get up the next morning to play Sunday morning Football and back to the pub for lunchtime. Nowadays I dont drink much and when I do just hope I can get out of bed the next day .. at some point.predetermined intent like the post you made aboutBigJ wrote:That statement is full of predetermined intent, but I kinda got that vibe already. I have to ask though, it IS going to be tested before it is introduced and the questions anwersered, or do you have the power to skip that part?
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A power PrC suggested by elf players, QC'd by elf players and Dev'd by elf players, for elf players.With his sword, here is a build with the stats it gets : http://nwn2db.com/build/?261851So excatly how does the Sorc10/ek10/DS10 kill the Balor as Mrmm said. It may help me understand.
First the AC difference is minor : 1, secondly it costs a bunch but it's not like you need them all the time you can pick and choose depending on the target exactly like you said. And thirdly the duelist version will have more damage, which is quite important for somethign that is primarily a meleer. Again though that build will be playable, and that's a very good thing imo, but it's in no way overpowered, compare to the STR sorc above if you'd like.Interesting you used Duelist, it loses it AC bonus in armor. Hence BS has a bigger AC bonus (5+6) and advances spellcasting. Re dispels see above. BTW, How much does UMD cost to cast Stone Body, Greater Stoneskin, lesser Spell Mantle, l.Mind Blank, Greater Spell Breach, True seeing, Grt Heroism, Spell Resistemnce etc. Of course the level 7 versions also have Ethereal Jaunt, Avasculate, Energy Immunity etc. Pick and choose depending on the target.
Yeah you're right, I went through that one too quickly, and yes it can make a death attack flurry with avasculate on top (but just two attacks, having a weapon in your off-hand will cancel bladesinger abilities), pretty nasty but I don't think it competes with the damage of a simple rogue 16/ assassin 9/ IB 5 with PTWF coming out of HiPS, not to mention this one will have more death attacks. So again : playable yes, overpowered ? Not at all.Err, all those builds have wizard, as you correctly say it was needed. The assasin one has Wizard 7, so it can cast avasulate in the same flurry with its death attacks, with +20 damage per hit (Insight). I just realised, isn't that like Auto-quicken without needing lvl 9 spells or epic feats?
He has piercing resistance too (and bludgeoning), the only answer is important base damage.Err .. switch to rapier? Or does it have pericing resistance too? (Genuine question as I dont know)
The AB on that one is still too low, as well as the damage defense is obviously fine, you don't need ICE I'd say.AC = 59 : 10 (base) + 3 (tumble) + 4 (dodge) +4 (deflection) + 6 (IMA) +4 (shield) + 5 (shadow shield) + 6 (ICE) + 6 (mithral chain mail) +4 (DEX) + 5 (INT to AC) +1 (Dodge feat) +1 (ext haste, forgot that).
Bab / AB: 22 ( 5 attacks) / 38 : +4 (STR) +5 (GMW) + 4 (Grt Hero) +1 (WF) +1 (Epic Prowess) +1 Ext haste (for boss). Tensers adds +8 for when you run out of spells, if you want to swap it in.
Damage: Rapier - 10 (INT) 5 (GMW) 1d6 Base + any additional weapon damage. 6 attacks with 15-20 crit.
Damage: Longsword - 15 (INT 2h), 5 (GMW) 1d8 Base + any additional weapon damage. 6 attacks with 17-20 crit.
Know to many high AB wizard builds that can combine Prowess / C.Insight / 2 x Auto quicken levels and also cast in armor?
You know I'm not sure I need ICE. Did some rough math before I went out re ICE / AoO verses defensive casting, the numbers were about the same.
6 avasculates, okay.Its a ASoC build so that tip from Chad about meta-magic working with Avasulate is quite good. Now I know how the spell works (Ie. 15% damage on Balor, does it do more to the UD Pit?). Drop the two Max Arc and two Emp Polar Rays now giving me 6 Avasulates. Drop a couple of auto-quickened Ice Darts for some more auto quickened Mirror Images (giving me roughly 40 total, for when it gets past my 50% conceal). Does the Balor bypass DR?
Balor does not bypass DR.It doesn't adress that problem at all though, any powerbuilt non-good arcanist is more powerful.You know if this whole thing has been about addressing some good/evil balance issue then just say so. I dont mind. I've played across the spectrum.
There is shadow shield as well. Let alone empowered mantles. A sorcerer dieing by a save or die spell in PvE must be doing something very wrong.Valefort wrote:Once and for all builds who have steadfast determination are complete cowards, for the weak minded there is death ward wand. Also low saves ?
Sure, Val, you can alter the build in order to answer any question!Valefort wrote:How can 10% dispel-ability be an issue ? And if you feel unsafe you can skip some dragonslayer levels and for more sorc levels
This is why I prefer to take wizard or sorcerer for 13 levels or add three levels of another full caster progression class and stop dragon slayer at 7 to hit CL 30. Not much an option for blade singer as you really want all 10 levels, unless you really want iron body and are going for auto still anyway, in which case DS is better.Steve wrote:Sure, Val, you can alter the build in order to answer any question!Valefort wrote:How can 10% dispel-ability be an issue ? And if you feel unsafe you can skip some dragonslayer levels and for more sorc levels
You should know this: the Engine works such that low percentages ACTUALLY are a big deal, because they occur far too often...for their lowness. Take some time playing a caster with 5–10% ASF, and empirically witness just how often your casting fails. It is cruel, man!
Look, are you creating the Bladesinger PrC to match your example build, in power? If yes, then by your stats, it should blast away on the Server.
If not, then my point is that I hope the PrC is simply REALLY FUN to play, with unique aspects to it. Because otherwise, as you've proven with statistics, Players will more often go for uber power over less power, because...well, we know why!!
Ha! The Ghost in the Machine WANTS TO KILL US ALL!!Valefort wrote: For the fun part though I'll let you know that valgoth did dispel my death ward and I rolled a one just after