Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

Blame The Rogue wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 8:24 am

EasternCheesE wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 6:55 am

Blame The Rogue wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 4:02 am robed caster cleric/monks and robed spirit shamans also come to mind. they dont get MI and displacement like arcane mages, so all ac is critically important. before someone brings up wands, we all know they are little more than dispel fodder. what happens to an offensive casting cleric with minor in monk if the ac changes go in? it's not a good outcome i assure you. ac would be too low. would be better off wearing armor and shield. so again, another type of currently playable character is removed from our realm of possibilities

ty for not including the ac nerf in the next patch. also, please seriously consider not putting it in at all. ty

edit: as for the other things listed, some look very interesting, but are overshadowed proposed ac nerf, and mode reliance, which nerfs ab. what happens when you have to use numerous modes, and get knocked down, and now, you, take attacks of opportunity to re-engage each mode one by one? does a stun or kd turn off all active modes? also, can we not add all these interesting things without nerfing ac and ab? can we not add all these interesting things without turning this into a mode-like mmo? nwn 2 has never been that. ce, parry, yes, but all these modes now. i'm sorry, but i am not a fan

Aside from tumble AC change which was already said to be postponed for reconsideration, nothing really forces you to use any of newcoming modes.
With the upcoming things as they are advertised, nobody get any AC or AB hit. Everyone gets free "crappy CE" and parry now gives AC in fact, but you or anyone are not forced to use it at all.
Modes don't nerf AB if you don't use them. And if you didn't use them prior the patch, you won't suddenly have to start using them after the patch.

i currently have 30 tumble and use CE. if all the changes were implemented i would indeed have to use two modes? ce wont stack with tumble in that case? meaning i would have to use fighting defensively to keep tumble ac and switch from ce to ath trip and use that mode as well to keep that ac, yes?

Blame The Rogue wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 8:24 am

EasternCheesE wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 6:55 am

Blame The Rogue wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 4:02 am robed caster cleric/monks and robed spirit shamans also come to mind. they dont get MI and displacement like arcane mages, so all ac is critically important. before someone brings up wands, we all know they are little more than dispel fodder. what happens to an offensive casting cleric with minor in monk if the ac changes go in? it's not a good outcome i assure you. ac would be too low. would be better off wearing armor and shield. so again, another type of currently playable character is removed from our realm of possibilities

ty for not including the ac nerf in the next patch. also, please seriously consider not putting it in at all. ty

edit: as for the other things listed, some look very interesting, but are overshadowed proposed ac nerf, and mode reliance, which nerfs ab. what happens when you have to use numerous modes, and get knocked down, and now, you, take attacks of opportunity to re-engage each mode one by one? does a stun or kd turn off all active modes? also, can we not add all these interesting things without nerfing ac and ab? can we not add all these interesting things without turning this into a mode-like mmo? nwn 2 has never been that. ce, parry, yes, but all these modes now. i'm sorry, but i am not a fan

Aside from tumble AC change which was already said to be postponed for reconsideration, nothing really forces you to use any of newcoming modes.
With the upcoming things as they are advertised, nobody get any AC or AB hit. Everyone gets free "crappy CE" and parry now gives AC in fact, but you or anyone are not forced to use it at all.
Modes don't nerf AB if you don't use them. And if you didn't use them prior the patch, you won't suddenly have to start using them after the patch.

i currently have 30 tumble and use CE. if all the changes were implemented i would indeed have to use two modes? ce wont stack with tumble in that case? meaning i would have to use fighting defensively to keep tumble ac and switch from ce to ath trip and use that mode as well to keep that ac, yes?

zhazz wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 8:46 am

Blame The Rogue wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 8:24 am

EasternCheesE wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 6:55 am

Aside from tumble AC change which was already said to be postponed for reconsideration, nothing really forces you to use any of newcoming modes.
With the upcoming things as they are advertised, nobody get any AC or AB hit. Everyone gets free "crappy CE" and parry now gives AC in fact, but you or anyone are not forced to use it at all.
Modes don't nerf AB if you don't use them. And if you didn't use them prior the patch, you won't suddenly have to start using them after the patch.

i currently have 30 tumble and use CE. if all the changes were implemented i would indeed have to use two modes? ce wont stack with tumble in that case? meaning i would have to use fighting defensively to keep tumble ac and switch from ce to ath trip and use that mode as well to keep that ac, yes?

Tumble + Combat Expertise = +6 AC and -3 AB
Fighting Defensively /w Tumble 25 = +5 AC and -4 AB

Effectively you lose 1 AB and AC in comparison to now.

AgentOrange wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 1:51 am

Blame The Rogue wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 1:10 am it seems the primary concern with ac is warlocks with ICE? is the negative ab not applying to ranged touch attacks.

As warlock is the only class that predominantly uses touch attacks, it would appear that the decision to change the base game mechanic of not having I/CE affect touch attacks specifically targets warlocks with I/CE, even though warlocks have been using it without issue since the birth of the game. They're spells, you just chant and point, not strike with a weapon, so CE shouldn't affect them.

Bobthehero wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 9:37 am

AgentOrange wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 1:51 am

Blame The Rogue wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 1:10 am it seems the primary concern with ac is warlocks with ICE? is the negative ab not applying to ranged touch attacks.

As warlock is the only class that predominantly uses touch attacks, it would appear that the decision to change the base game mechanic of not having I/CE affect touch attacks specifically targets warlocks with I/CE, even though warlocks have been using it without issue since the birth of the game. They're spells, you just chant and point, not strike with a weapon, so CE shouldn't affect them.

Pointing and zapping with RTA's, and for that matter, merely touching your enemy with MTA's, is a lot less complicated than trying to land a blow when you focus on your defence. The complication comes from casting the spell, and mechanics already cover that.

AgentOrange wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 8:43 am

Blame The Rogue wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 8:24 am

EasternCheesE wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 6:55 am

Aside from tumble AC change which was already said to be postponed for reconsideration, nothing really forces you to use any of newcoming modes.
With the upcoming things as they are advertised, nobody get any AC or AB hit. Everyone gets free "crappy CE" and parry now gives AC in fact, but you or anyone are not forced to use it at all.
Modes don't nerf AB if you don't use them. And if you didn't use them prior the patch, you won't suddenly have to start using them after the patch.

i currently have 30 tumble and use CE. if all the changes were implemented i would indeed have to use two modes? ce wont stack with tumble in that case? meaning i would have to use fighting defensively to keep tumble ac and switch from ce to ath trip and use that mode as well to keep that ac, yes?

I believe you can't use Fighting Defensive (which has to be active for the tumble AC to take effect) and CE congruently. You would have to pick one or the other. It's not an upgrade to anyone who currently uses I/CE and tumble ranks as AC sources.

Steve wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 7:39 am How easy will it be to either permanently set the CE amount, and or change that amount on the fly (considering how vanilla CE/ICE was each a simple click on/off). And, can these modes be hotbar’d?

Rhifox wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 1:42 pm Actually, this was my error. In pnp you actually can stack these, so if/when these go in, they'd be stackable. Obviously, that'd be a significant reduction in AB (-9 +10 if you have full Tumble, -9 +7 otherwise), but it would be a big AC boost.

CathyBlank wrote: ↑Tue May 31, 2022 5:26 pmAlso, are free versions of knockdown/bluff/disarm going to be given to mobs as well?

Tower shield
The tower shield is a veritable wall of protection, though it can be quite cumbersome to carry on an adventure.

AC Bonus: 4
-2 Attack bonus
Maximum dexterity bonus: N/A
Arcane spell failure: 50%
Armor check penalty: -10