Make Warlock application only

[Elthan]

I am generally against application only classes as i do not like the prospect of filtering people out of RP in advance - mistakes happen and people improve by learning from them.

But given the existing mechanics for warlock you can only make either infernal pact or fey pact warlocks. The first are damned and/or evil the second are crazy and/or evil.. i just don't see it happening often.

There's a proliferation of warlocks that either:

1. claim to have paid no price at all for their powers - bloodline warlocks are essentially equally damned along with their devil-dealing forebearers in terms of their soul if i'm not mistaken.

2. claim to not be evil and/or chaotic - while it is true that a warlock can do whatever he wants with his power in his mortal life time. to even enter such a deal in the first place would take either a fairly evil disposition or having a few screws loose.

3. openly display their powers - the checks to indentify invocations are not that high , a warlock using invocations infront of people makes it only a matter of time before he's outed.

[NeOmega]

I have had characters who have blasted invocations around me, and I have called them on it (granted, I was on my own warlock at the time, but Lilly is a hypocritical b^$# anyway). I got the standard answer: "You know nothing of me, not everybody is this way by choice, don't judge me, I am a good person and you are ignorant", and I was at the receiving end of a long-winded speech about how warlocks are no different than anybody else, and how I should not judge. By the end, I was banging my face into my desk.

Consider the possibility that those warlocks may be spewing the "standard answer" as an IC lie, similar to how your warlock hides behind her facade. To assume that they are simply RPing poorly, to assume that their PCs are not being perfectly IC, may be unfair to other players. I can think of one warlock that was actually prrreeetty evil, but ICly, she acted indignant about how people just didn't understand her, blah blah blah. And it worked, for a long while. It was all IC lies.

I had a warlock that would say all this stuff while in his white robes. He would call people "friend" and "brother" and had a long sob story about how Paladins set him on fire as a child because he was special, and how they didn't understand, and how terrible prejudice is, and all teiflings aren't evil, but he had accepted his fate as a martyr of Lathander, blah blah blah.

It was so much fun. He was chaotic evil. But every now and then, I'd throw out a good bluff roll.

I wish my video card wasn't dead.

My other warlock was always talking about how he graduated top of his class from a magic school, i'd have him bust out magic missile scrolls sometimes just to look like he was a practitioner of the arcane.

Lying is part of the charm and charisma of being a warlock, and it's fun.

[Knightmare]

My biggest concern with making warlocks KOS is the inevitable metagaming that will go with it.

[Aelcar]

My biggest concern with making warlocks KOS is the inevitable metagaming that will go with it.

Yes, very reasonable concern even.

However, my biggest concern with the appl. only is even bigger: just how many warlocks are there around? How many applications do the DMs have to consider? How many explanations for refusals, cries for favoritism as in "but I am better than (warlock jim/joe/x), I saw him and his RP was shit!", or sudden OOC "//Ah, that's your way to RP the warlock? Why did they accept you and not me? Blablabla! I am mad, and stuff!" in the middle of RP.

It's seriously a horrendous idea. Just think about it...

[Xanfyrst]

Get rid of the class altogether!

[Duster47]

Get rid of the class altogether!

Yeah. Add some of the warlock-style feats to the Sorcerer Class then you can keep warlock flavor. This could free us from much OOC grief and IC endless long-range blasting without ever becoming tired (no need to rest).

[Aelcar]

Get rid of the class altogether!

Yeah. Add some of the warlock-style feats to the Sorcerer Class then you can keep warlock flavor. This could free us from much OOC grief and IC endless long-range blasting without ever becoming tired (no need to rest).

But it would be sad, for all those that love Warlock's RP and play it correctly, for the enjoyment of all around them.

[Knightmare]

I think it was somewhere in this thread it was suggested that upon taking the first level of warlock, players should be presented with a list of pact types which he must them choose from i.e. fiendish pact, demon pact or fey pack.

Then it would be easy for DMs to identify the type of warlock on their hands because they can just check the character sheet for the feat. Then, if the DM decides, he/she can "interrogate" the player about his background, making sure that it's one that sticks with lore.

This would encourage players to make a proper background for the character and not some snow flake excuse.

No application would be needed then, but a thorough research on the player's behalf would. The player will then understand that playing a warlock comes with certain commitments and RP requirements.

I think this would be a good compromise.

[Salival]

Everyone has to be perfect with thier background and rp, no one can be just a gamer trying to enjoy the game. If you can't come up with a good background or reason to be your chr. You have to re-roll a fighter and never leave the gate or level at all. Because if you do, than you're breaking the immension of rp. And we all have to be human cause its the only race that we can rp right.


Really, so many ppl trying to change thing's in the server so much, and take things away from ppl becaise they dont like how a few ppl act. No wonder people get upset and stop playing so much. These froms are getting less helpful and more full of crying and nerfing. When did we stop enjoying the game, and start nickpicking everything and other people so much. Hell we should make pvp app. Only, or take it out all together. That would solve many problems.

[Knightmare]

I don't think it would be that big of a deal. It's like a cleric picking a deity and choosing the appropriate domains.

[Duster47]

Get rid of the class altogether!

Yeah. Add some of the warlock-style feats to the Sorcerer Class then you can keep warlock flavor. This could free us from much OOC grief and IC endless long-range blasting without ever becoming tired (no need to rest).

But it would be sad, for all those that love Warlock's RP and play it correctly, for the enjoyment of all around them.

Oh, do not worry. I really doubt my idea would ever be implemented. I personally dislike the OOC-grief homeless surface gray-orc PC's cause, which are even less rational. But they are probably here to stay too.

I think it was somewhere in this thread it was suggested that upon taking the first level of warlock, players should be presented with a list of pact types which he must them choose from i.e. fiendish pact, demon pact or fey pack.

Something like this is on my long to-do list via Mystra interaction. Then there would be no excuses. Biggest issue is obtaining a DM-approved list of exact pact requirements. I am sure there will be much quibbling over those too.

[ragnarok1983]

*Looks at the last post*

I support this.

[7threalm]

yes seem rational, how much of your soul are you willing to give up for power, 1/10th or 9/10ths as with everything warlock its deal with the devil or fey.

Also if you look up fey sub types the list is pretty lame, so always who wish to make a deal with a fey heres a example of the creatures you are making packs with.

Dryad: nature warlock
Grig: trickster warlock
Nixie: defender of ponds warlock
Nymph: sexy warlock
Pixie: prank warlock
Satyr: bard warlock

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fey_%28Dun ... Dragons%29

not to downplay fey pack warlocks, i've noticed a lot of them say "fey" warlock and i have yet to hear any of these creatures that they have a made a pack with, instead some sort of super spirit fey, which doesn't make much sense to me.

If i were to make a pact with anything for power, I'd shoot for devils or demons

if i made fey warlock I would definatly shoot for l

Tome of Horrors
Leprechaun-bastard trick me for a map to his treasure at the end of the rainbow, and when i got it was a contract for servitude

[dzidek1983]

not to downplay fey pack warlocks, i've noticed a lot of them say "fey" warlock and i have yet to hear any of these creatures that they have a made a pack with, instead some sort of super spirit fey, which doesn't make much sense to me.

this one's mine

Neifion is an archfey of the Feywild.His title is the Lord of Bats.
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Neifion

[LordLP]

Reading though all of these posts, I have to wander why they didn't create the class with a requirement feet to start with.

There are only a few key ways someone can become a 'Warlock' - and very spicific reasons why they grant you such powers. It's similar to divine power - your granted these powers because it suits them, and they will get your soul to better fuel their power and indirectly the next Warlock. Unlike priests though, they want you to die, and if not useful to them, die quickly.

I'm with void: someone should add a few new empty feats to the 2da that read like domains. Set it up so warlocks must choose one of the following new feats at creation. It's honestly easy to do game wise, will require a Hak update though. Also doesn't cover existing Warlocks. Staff should know how to do this, if not let me know and I'm willing to help.

You might think it's unfair and RP limiting, but warlocks are the ONLY class granted powers externally that are not 'constrained' NWN wise. If I play a cleric of Helm, that's who I am, a cleric of Helm. I'm labeled, RP restricted, and forced to RP accordingly. I gave up the right for complete autonomy by playing this class. Now I, as a person, can refuse to follow this rule - but then, by DM order, I can not cast or use any Cleric spells.

If you choose a warlock you must decide how you got said powers and RP it accordingly to the T. You've lost a certain flexibility RP wise and that should be required and labeled from the start just like a cleric.