Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

NegInfinity wrote:

Bad Omens wrote: Ok, if it is the unique RP that people desire,

Yuan-ti are ECL+2, like Drow.
The server appears to be geared towards ECL+0 races.
So taking one even as it is would hurt.

Also, you can always make them KoS but surface-only or restrict them to evil alignments (with non-evil being application only).

It is surface version of drow, pretty much:
http://nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/Yuan-ti_Pureblood
http://nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/Drow

You missed the part about removing all of the goodies mate. Nothing but +2 Dex and Darkvision, everything else should go out the window and then still keep the +2 ECL.

That's how you will see how many really want just the RP

Bad Omens wrote: You missed the part about removing all of the goodies mate. Nothing but +2 Dex and Darkvision, everything else should go out the window and then still keep the +2 ECL.

That's how you will see how many really want just the RP

I don't see the point.

We could also grab your favorite non-human race and replace its mesh with human model. If your favorite race is human, we can replace their mesh with orc one. Then slap ECL+2 on it, add -2 dex, -2 str, -2 con, add spell vulnerability that iwll get wrose as you level up. Then see if you still want to play it for RP value (while cackling diabolically).

Just make it application only and KoS, if you're so afraid of powerbuilders.

P.S. No, i don't care about playing Yuan-ti.

It's hard to roleplay a race so convinced of their absolute physical and mental supremacy to the lesser races without having anything to show for it.

With master of disguises added to the server, it would seem that the stars have indeed aligned for the implementation of the pureblood race. ALL GLORY BE TO THE SLITHERER SUPREME

Bad Omens wrote:

NegInfinity wrote:

Bad Omens wrote: Ok, if it is the unique RP that people desire,

Yuan-ti are ECL+2, like Drow.
The server appears to be geared towards ECL+0 races.
So taking one even as it is would hurt.

Also, you can always make them KoS but surface-only or restrict them to evil alignments (with non-evil being application only).

It is surface version of drow, pretty much:
http://nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/Yuan-ti_Pureblood
http://nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/Drow

You missed the part about removing all of the goodies mate. Nothing but +2 Dex and Darkvision, everything else should go out the window and then still keep the +2 ECL.

That's how you will see how many really want just the RP

I would still play it with ECL 4 and no bonuses but Darkvision. I'll even try to build a Yuan-ti temple and an area for Low level purebloods to train if that's what it takes.

Or if you make it application only and you don't want to spend time reading through applications, make me a staff member and I will handle all of the applications and create a unique form for each app race. I am 100% serious.

I don't understand why you want to punishing players for wanting to play "evil" (normally hostile races). I remember playing a couple servers in NWN 1 which allowed players to be a bunch of evil races it required an application which I have no problem with. Guess what? it was FUN , there was constant confli t and I really enjoyed the RP. We are playing a game, I know you want it to fit the lore but if people have to fill out an application, it would turn most power builders off and act as quality control to keep the immersion.

I can see a lot of fun RP occurring with them, perhaps rumors will get out that yuan-ti have infiltrated BG and everyone is on edge as almost anyone could be a disguised pureblood. It could lead to witch trials and people being falsely accused. I think it would be a lot of fun for both groups.

The Whistler wrote:It's hard to roleplay a race so convinced of their absolute physical and mental supremacy to the lesser races without having anything to show for it.

With master of disguises added to the server, it would seem that the stars have indeed aligned for the implementation of the pureblood race. ALL GLORY BE TO THE SLITHERER SUPREME

I've been a Underdark player for awhile, role playing down there is a bit difficult at first but you get the hang of it easily. I sort of agree with the KoS policy, but only if it's proven to be a Yuan-ti as they are supposed to blend into human society.

NegInfinity wrote: I don't see the point.

Just make it application only and KoS, if you're so afraid of powerbuilders.

P.S. No, i don't care about playing Yuan-ti.

KOS just means more chances for PvP (which plays to powerbuilders).

Application just speaks to the possibility for an elitist class of players, I would advise against this except for in cases of non-mechanical superiority (hense the admission without mechanical benefit).

If you don't care, than why do you care to post?

The Whistler wrote:It's hard to roleplay a race so convinced of their absolute physical and mental supremacy to the lesser races without having anything to show for it.

That's why you would have to be a good at your RP, able to work intelligently with your fellow Yuan-ti brethern (players) to prove it so. In other words, you have to be a dedicated RP'r, which I am sure you might be capable Whistler. I have seen your efforts first hand, they are considerable

Nocturnus wrote:
I would still play it with ECL 4 and no bonuses bur Darkvision. Hell ill even try to build a Yuan-ti temple and an area for Low level purebloods to train if that's what it takes.

I don't understand why you want to punishing players for wanting to play "evil" (normally hostile races). I remember playing a couple servers in NWN 1 which allowed players to be a bunch of evil races it required an application which I have no problem with. Guess what? it was FUN , there was constant confli t and I really enjoyed the RP. We are playing a game, I know you want it to fit the lore but if people have to fill out an application, it would turn most power builders off and act as quality control to keep the immersion.

I can see a lot of fun RP occurring with them, perhaps rumors will get out that yuan-ti have infiltrated BG and everyone is on edge as almost anyone could be a disguised pureblood. It could lead to witch trials and people being falsely accused. I think it would be a lot of fun for both groups.

*edit:redacted statement after re-reading prior post*
If you are willing to play an ECL 4, to keep the mechanical benefits but not an ECL 2 without them because of the.....RP, that doesn't make much sense.

I am sure that the DMs are going to love dealing with the issue of accused Class Elitism with the application only, not to mention the constant griping back and forth about who meta-gamed who when an infiltrator was supposedly caught. If an infiltrator is proven to be caught, what then, instant perma-strike would almost be a necessity to maintain governance of the application process, another DM nightmare to deal with. Lol, why would powerbuilders care about filling out an application. Most power-builders show aptitude for great intelligence, they aren't illiterate

Furthermore, a point I have had yet to bring up, is that there is already a great "societal" presence of Yuan-ti in the form of NPCs on this server. Where would these new players fit within that scheme? If they move to that area to grind, I would view that as fratricidal metagaming BS since the Yuan-ti society is both heirarchal and nearly singularly driven.

Then, if these "agents" are working to aid the greater Yuan-ti collective, where exactly is the line drawn between PC and NPC power? Will these players exact control over this powerful presence? I think it is a very thin line. One that the Darkholder Zhents had to/have to walk, with some success but I have also born witness guilds not working within the framework of established DM guidelines on this server....which regarding the Yuan-ti, could turn ugly for this whole server.

This just has shades of Triel issues written all over it....

I don't see the point.

We could also grab your favorite non-human race and replace its mesh with human model. If your favorite race is human, we can replace their mesh with orc one. Then slap ECL+2 on it, add -2 dex, -2 str, -2 con, add spell vulnerability that iwll get wrose as you level up. Then see if you still want to play it for RP value (while cackling diabolically).

Just make it application only and KoS, if you're so afraid of powerbuilders.

P.S. No, i don't care about playing Yuan-ti.

He doesn't like the race so therefore it should stay disabled :^)
I'd it did have a high ECL and no bonuses of course most people won't play it. Even though they want to roleplay it, they also want to level up. I don't know this place had always been like this, why not just force everyone to be true neutral humans who just sit around the campfire all day?

I get they don't want a bunch of Mary sues running around but there are tons of races that are supposed to be rare running around and the Devs seem to have no problem with that. But wanting to play a monster race is gong too far I guess.

They could easily make an application section on here and have people post their desired characters background.

Let's just remove all races but human and all classes but fighter as they don't roleplay the way I want them to

Nocturnus wrote:

I don't see the point.

We could also grab your favorite non-human race and replace its mesh with human model. If your favorite race is human, we can replace their mesh with orc one. Then slap ECL+2 on it, add -2 dex, -2 str, -2 con, add spell vulnerability that iwll get wrose as you level up. Then see if you still want to play it for RP value (while cackling diabolically).

Just make it application only and KoS, if you're so afraid of powerbuilders.

P.S. No, i don't care about playing Yuan-ti.

He doesn't like the race so therefore it should stay disabled :^)

Oh, I love the race! I would love to have a crack at building a Yuan-ti Ranger/Blackguard/Disguiser with high Charisma, believe me I do!! I am just trying to be pragmatic about foreseeable issues for the server. It's not about me, I promise you that

Bad Omens wrote: It's not about me, I promise you that

Alright, roll bluff.

Oh, and with KoS I implied perma-strike KoS. Like "hanged if pvping in front of guards", etc.

Bad Omens wrote:In other words, you have to be a dedicated RP'r, which I am sure you might be capable Whistler. I have seen your efforts first hand, they are considerable

You do me too much honor, Mav. Regardless, the Yuan-ti are a race obsessed with perfecting themselves through eugenics and grafts among other things and this should reflect on their character sheet.

Being Zhentarim myself, I can tell you that the DMs have worked tirelessly to rein in our IC influence and the assets we are able to call upon at any given time. And that is with the Zhentarim Dreadlord being the de facto leader of Darkhold; purebloods are just dregs in the Yuan-ti society. You wouldn't have to worry about them harnessing any sort of power over the abominations that make their lair in the serpent hills.

Bad Omens wrote:

I stated I would play it regardless of what ECL and bonuses it has. The vast majority of NWN 1/2 servers had application only races and it worked fine. I'm not saying only a select few could choose the Race, but you would just need to demonstrate what you know about Yuan-ti, their background (to prevent hordes of Yuan-ti paladins). Class Elitism? Sure thing comrade The players who whine about players
Rs not role playing the way they like are the Elitists.

as I said before power

The fact that there is yuan-ti area is a legitimate issue. Putting them in the underdark would solve the that issue but cause lore issues. But lore purity > fun right? That's why player factions that aren't in official lore are are banned. :^)


Meta gaming is going to happen regardless as well. We all ready have grey orcs and a legion of Tieflings and aasmir's. Yuan-ti being added is minor compared to that.

In regards to that comment, nobody said just leave it as is. Just nerf it, yeah I get its a OP vanilla race there are a bunch of them but unlike yuan-ti they are playable. Yuan-ti though? No think of the power builders! It's not like there are power builders of almost every race, even humans!

This already happens with Drow and aasmir. But that's irrelevant to you. I had a Drow player that as shocked that I'm not taking blackguard with my Favoured Soul, before that I didn't even know they were a power building class. I just hate memorizing spells.

if yuan-ti is going to remain disabled then disable grey orcs otherwise it's just hypocritical.

NegInfinity wrote:P.S. No, i don't care about playing Yuan-ti.

Ok, roll bluff! *shrugs* We can do this all day Neg.

At the end of that day though, here is the truth:

People are motivated by two things, moral conviction and enjoyment.

I have taken my stance because despite it being unpopular, which is not enjoyable, I feel a moral conviction to keep this server from further issues such as that which plagued us during the "Fall of Triel" story arc where PCs were pitted against each other in a political battle (hint: I was one of the knuckle heads that thought it was going to be fun).

You feel motivated by the fact that others, not yourself of course, would have more enjoyment RPing yet another evil race, which represents a greater, more powerful evil society which will try to work against the goodly political factions on the server.

That is the truth of the matter.

*edit* and finally, if this race goes in, I will apply for it and ironically enough, I will be denied because I pissed off the staff whom voted for it in this thread

Bad Omens wrote: People are motivated by two things, moral conviction and enjoyment.

And an the real world, morality is relative, while people can be mistaken, so "moral conviction" can be a root of many problems.

Bad Omens wrote: You feel motivated by the fact that others, not yourself of course, would have more enjoyment RPing yet another evil race, which represents a greater, more powerful evil society which will try to work against the goodly political factions on the server.

Yep.

I get what you're saying, I still think they would be a good fit in the underdark. It would be a good compromise as Drow are pretty much as overpowered. I do support removing the natural spell resistance on all races though.

The problem with moving them to the Underdark is of course lore, but it's not unreasonable for a few to be down there.

Lol racial SR is a joke. What with all these PRCs allowing for CL over your HD nowadays.