Can someone explain to me #orclivesmatter?

[Tekill]

I would say you would be in denial if you claim there is no connection or link between orclivesmatter and blacklivesmatter. Even if its just a simple parody there is a link. That link has relevance, or else we would not be joking about it in the first place.

The link is: like black lives, orcs lives matter too.
This could be seen as insensitive or demeaning or belittling to the Blacklivesmatter movement. Even though we are not comparing people to orcs, the implication still lingers.
This is one definite perspective, onc facet, and very well, could be made into a valid argument.

Here is the But.
But, there are multiple ways to perceive any particular concept. To understand something you need to see it in as many different perspectives as possible.

Right? -Right.

A metaphor that humorously guides you to perceive and understand a race, not as a stereotypical 'monster', but as something that both is multi-dimensional and more like how you see yourself.

I think personally that the appropriation, of Blacklivesmatter is positive in this case, because it still illustrates prejudice and oppression.

I am of the opinion/perspective that one should not repress comedy regardless of how "colourful" (pun) it is, because it denies a learning experience, as well as a laugh.

If you use comedy to try to hurt someone then its not comedy and simply an insult.
We are all wise and mature enough to see the difference between comedy and insults. And we are all wise and mature enough, to value the priceless benefits of comedy - to not censor it.

Usually you ruin the joke when you explain it...I hope I have not done that here.

[Zanniej]

Please keep real life politics separated from in game politics. This is a game world where even racism has a place, due to there not being any actual lives affected ( only digital lives ). There should not be any comparison to real life politics or issues.

This game world has, and needs conflict, to make it an interesting for people. We need that to create our heroes and villains. That is no comparison with the real world, so please don't make the comparison.

Apart from that, it's also against the rules, and with good reason.

[Young Werther]

Getting offended when a joke latches onto political trends is something I can sympathize with but is really only symptom to much larger issues outside the perview of what the community here has decided for itself and has nothing to do with our gaming world, obviously. We already tolerate all sorts of other forms of humor around here so I don't see the need for a line to be drawn with this.

[Kagger911]

I did not know orcs were considered a terrorist organization.

[aaron22]

I did not know orcs were considered a terrorist organization.

wow.. i need to step it up

[Young Werther]

I think you confused blue with orcs kaggar. (jk)

[Face]

*Calls lawyer*

[Herisheft]

You people are insane with this attitude of being offended by everything. Learn to laugh. Offence is never given, only taken.

ITs becoming ridiulous more and more.

[7threalm]

I did not know orcs were considered a terrorist organization.

ROFL, Did not see that one coming Kagger

but really I think it started with the epic orcs talking about how hard is to rp their charaters and how they are outright ignored by the players/races/dm's. Some went the snowflake route, some went the orc tribe route.

I once watched a grey orc argue about getting into candlekeep, for some reason orcs are banned which kinda goes against Oghma dogma

Knowledge, particularly the raw knowledge of ideas, is supreme. An idea has no weight, but it can move mountains. The greatest gift of humankind, an idea outweighs anything made by mortal hands. Knowledge is power and must be used with care, but hiding it away from others is never a good thing. Stifle no new ideas, no matter how false and crazed they seem; rather, let them be heard and considered. Never slay a singer, nor stand by as others do so. Spread knowledge wherever it is prudent to do so. Curb and deny falsehoods, rumor, and deceitful tales whenever you encounter them. Write or copy lore of great value at least once a year and give it away. Sponsor and teach bards, scribes, and record keepers. Spread truth and knowledge so that all folk know more. Never deliver a message falsely or incompletely. Teach reading and writing to those who ask (if your time permits), and charge no fee for the teaching.

I understand the ban in Baldurs Gate - To maintain lore and all that, Civilization Vs Orcs
I understand the ban in Doron Amar - To maintain lore and all that, Elves Vs Orcs
I understand the ban in Kraak Helzak- To maintain lore and all that, Dwarves Vs Orcs
I dont understand the ban in Candlekeep - Orcs Vs Knowledge? Last time I check it only costed a book value at 1000 gp (to me it seemed like a mechanical thing with its justtification hidden, perhaps the dm team could explain it. or arkanis can tell us what the lore for entry into candlekeep is)

[Flasmix]

I did not know orcs were considered a terrorist organization.

I'm seeing way too much Orcophobia in this thread. I urge everybody to check your Elf and Human privilege.

[aaron22]

well. to the candlekeep manner. I do not go into candlekeep with any orc because my orc would think that would not tolerated. not the other way around. many places might be tolerable, but would not be tolerable by my orc. that type of exchange would not be inside the mind of any of my orcs. that area is hostile as many hostile encounters take place when they go there. so no place inside that area would be considered a safe zone to my orc.

and that doesnt even consider the background beliefs that motivate my orc to the sharing of knowledge with the goodly races. I just would not RP that.

there are countless reasons why my orcs would not go to candlekeep or anywhere else similar.no matter how tolerable they might be toward mu orcs.

[TarnishedSoul]

The answer is simple: server RP has dictated the ban on orcs, and server RP trumps canon. You can ask Arkanis all you want about what canon lore states, but Candlekeep has changed quite a few things since its formation as a guild - with DM permission, I might add!

But I'll clear up a few misconceptions.

First of all, the Temple of Oghma and their members get permitted in Candlekeep as allowed guests. Candlekeep itself is non-denominational, thus the argument about what Oghmans would do regarding orcs has no bearing whatsoever on what Candlekeep as an independent polity would do.

Second of all, the canon lore requirement to be admitted to the library is a book worth at least 10k gp and spending an evening with Ulraunt, the Keeper of the Tomes. Of course, also by canon lore, anyone entering Candlekeep at all has to give a book as an admission fee and cannot return again for thirty days once he or she has departed.

Lastly, these are the current IC admission policies for entrance into the Candlekeep library: viewtopic.php?p=684014#p684014

I don't want to get too sidetracked, but I hope that provides some understanding for you, 7threalm. Feel free to PM me if you have additional questions about Candlekeep as it exists on this PW.

[7threalm]

The answer is simple: server RP has dictated the ban on orcs, and server RP trumps canon. Y)

What is the server lore/rp then?

though my orc would never go to candle keep it would just be interesting to know.

[TarnishedSoul]

The server lore consists of the Laws of Candlekeep, which are posted outside the gatehouse.

4. Drow, Grey Orcs, Goblins, Yuan-ti, or any other monstrous race are not allowed within these walls.

As for why? Well, consider the mission of Candlekeep: to seek, preserve, and protect all manner of knowledge. Monstrous races, by design, are not known for their preservationist and protective ways. They're destructive. It's better for Candlekeep as a whole not to take the risk of allowing a supposedly "good" orc into the place, have it run wild, and cause irreparable damage to a millennia-plus collection.

I'm not sure when #4 was enacted; it was before my time. I could dig into it and get specifics if you really want, though.

[Kagger911]

The answer is simple: server RP has dictated the ban on orcs, and server RP trumps canon. Y)

What is the server lore/rp then?

though my orc would never go to candle keep it would just be interesting to know.

We're ok with the Ban. It's people thinking we're trying to start some IG movement when it's all ooc. Learn to differentiate between the two please.

p.s.: Actually don't. It proves that some people don't know how to get their head out of being snagas.