Coming Soon: Discussion Thread (2021)

[Xorena]

Fantastic. Thank you.

[izzul]

5.0

Whip = 5.0 = 10 feet
Spear = 3.0 = 6 feet
Halberd/Qstaff = 2.4 = 4.8 feet
Shorstspear = 1.5 = 3 feet

Greataxe = ?
Scythe = ?
Longsword = ?
Bastard Sword = ?
Dwarven Waraxe = ?
Warhammer = ?
Katana = ?
Kukri = ?
Kama = ?

and all the others?

[[DM] Grinning Death]

That's really cool, Rhifox! Thanks for your hard work!

[Kitunenotsume]

Whip = 5.0m; 15ft.
Spear = 3.0m; 9ft. ((Up from 1.5m))
Halberd/Qstaff = 2.4m; 7.2ft. ((Up from 1.7m halberd / 1.6m qstaff))
Shortspear = 1.5m; 4.5ft.

Greataxe = 1.4m; 4.2ft.
Scythe = 1.5m; 4.5ft.
Longsword = 1.5m; 4.5ft.
Bastard Sword = 1.6m; 4.8ft.
Dwarven Waraxe = 1.2m; 3.6ft.
Warhammer = 1.2m; 3.6ft.
Katana = 1.3m; 3.9ft.
Kukri = 1.2m; 3.6ft.
Kama = 1.1m; 3.3ft.

If you are interested, you can find all the (current) weapon ranges in the baseitems.2da in the (somewhat unintuitively named) "bg_soz_tools.hak" which contains all the client-2das for the server. Pop it open in a 2da viewer or a spreadsheet program and look for the "PrefAttackDistance" column.

You should be able to find the ranges of any other weapons you are interested in there. I've filled in the ones you asked about based on what I grabbed from my own haks as of yesterday for you. I've also included the old polearm ranges for comparison. Ranges are in meters, so ~3 feet per meter.

[izzul]

Whip = 5.0m; 15ft.
Spear = 3.0m; 9ft. ((Up from 1.5m))
Halberd/Qstaff = 2.4m; 7.2ft. ((Up from 1.7m halberd / 1.6m qstaff))
Shortspear = 1.5m; 4.5ft.

Greataxe = 1.4m; 4.2ft.
Scythe = 1.5m; 4.5ft.
Longsword = 1.5m; 4.5ft.
Bastard Sword = 1.6m; 4.8ft.
Dwarven Waraxe = 1.2m; 3.6ft.
Warhammer = 1.2m; 3.6ft.
Katana = 1.3m; 3.9ft.
Kukri = 1.2m; 3.6ft.
Kama = 1.1m; 3.3ft.

If you are interested, you can find all the (current) weapon ranges in the baseitems.2da in the (somewhat unintuitively named) "bg_soz_tools.hak" which contains all the client-2das for the server. Pop it open in a 2da viewer or a spreadsheet program and look for the "PrefAttackDistance" column.

You should be able to find the ranges of any other weapons you are interested in there. I've filled in the ones you asked about based on what I grabbed from my own haks as of yesterday for you. I've also included the old polearm ranges for comparison. Ranges are in meters, so ~3 feet per meter.

Thank you Kitunenotsume

[Blame The Rogue]

something that i've wanted to see, ever since battle of the five armies, and skallagrim's youtube vid on medieval weapons for fantasy dwarves...a line of dwarves wielding tower shields and spears

[Rhifox]

something that i've wanted to see, ever since battle of the five armies, and skallagrim's youtube vid on medieval weapons for fantasy dwarves...a line of dwarves wielding tower shields and spears

Technically shortspears would just be two-handed for dwarves unless you had monkey grip... but I won't leave you hanging. I'll probably make a dwarven shortspear that's smaller so small races can get the option for shortspears too.

In fact, due to an animation snag (the animation file does not recognize that a shield is equipped with spear animations if you don't have monkey grip, so it continues to use two-handed animations despite using a shield), I'll likely be making a selection of different spears/shortspears:

Medium Spear (for two-handed use by small races) - 1d6
Small Shortspear (for one-handed use by medium races) - 1d6
Tiny Shortspear (for one-handed by small races) - 1d4

[Edit] Instead of three different types to fix the animation issue, there will instead be just one: Tiny Shortspears, that are 1d6 x3. These will be finessable and wieldable in one hand by all races, but to offset the size they will may be set as main-hand weapons only.

[Theodore01]

Nooooooo, please don't dilute the chance of getting some useful weapon drop further will all these different spear-types

One type of short spear really is enough.

[Rhifox]

Nooooooo, please don't dilute the chance of getting some useful weapon drop further will all these different spear-types

One type of short spear really is enough.

Too bad the animations aren't cooperating. I'm still trying to figure it out, but I can't guarantee there'll be a solution. Unless you want to be running around with shortspears that either look like this or like this.

[Blame The Rogue]

depending on how crafting turns out, we may be able to create our own useful spear, in whichever size/type we want/need

as for the loot drop list, sadly, that ship has sailed. original campaign crafting materials, potions from the added potion system, thrown flasks from alchemy, poisons from the added poison system, and player written books, are all in the loot drop list. also that nagging ooc self-serving cdaulepp tribute book. if you're watching cdaulepp, ty for the random loot generation system, and no ty for the hidden book in the download. fixing the loot drop list would require a dedicated, and lengthy, effort

[blowuup]

Did you sneak this in!

I just got nine new spells!

[blacksoft]

Hello!

Shortspears will have the following stats:

Base Damage: 1d6
Base Critical Threat: x3
Base Damage Type: Piercing
Weapon Size: Medium
Feats Required: Simple, Druid, or Spirit Shaman

Range: 1.5

Shortspears will also count as stormlord weapons. Duelist abilities that affect piercing weapons on the other hand may not work with shortspears.

Very cool. Twf shortspear sounds very appealing as a stormlord.

Will the tiny versions be finessable? What about using intel to damage as swashbuckler? Will it work for deadly defense? Etc

Thanks

[Rhifox]

Very cool. Twf shortspear sounds very appealing as a stormlord.

Will the tiny versions be finessable? What about using intel to damage as swashbuckler? Will it work for deadly defense? Etc

In order to fix the animation issues, all shortspears will be Tiny weapons and thus finessable, yes. However, to offset this, shortspears will be main-hand weapons only. So twf shortspear won't be possible, I'm afraid.

Class features and feats that apply to light weapons should work for shortspears, but I can't confirm that right now.

[Edit] Nevermind, might not be finessable afterall. Will reconsider twf shortspear.

[blacksoft]

Very cool. Twf shortspear sounds very appealing as a stormlord.

Will the tiny versions be finessable? What about using intel to damage as swashbuckler? Will it work for deadly defense? Etc

In order to fix the animation issues, all shortspears will be Tiny weapons and thus finessable, yes. However, to offset this, shortspears will be main-hand weapons only. So twf shortspear won't be possible, I'm afraid.

Class features and feats that apply to light weapons should work for shortspears, but I can't confirm that right now.

Ahh! I spent entire weekend theory crafting twf shortspear stormlords!! Lol. Good to know. And thank you for your efforts.

It had dire charge and tempest . Oh well.

[Rhifox]

Ahh! I spent entire weekend theory crafting twf shortspear stormlords!! Lol. Good to know. And thank you for your efforts.

It had dire charge and tempest . Oh well.

Sorry.