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Re: Coming Soon: Shifter PRC

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:41 am
by YYA
Mirage wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:51 pmThis does seem to be going down the exact same route as the Polymorph changes when they came out. You don't see many shapeshifting wizards around, despite all the work that went into the changes and the new forms, do you.
If I talk about age old things, I still remember when Elemental Archer was added to the server and how for a while everyone was playing it, and I couldn't form a party without 2/3rds of its members being archers of some kind with it. So, allow me to ask, when was the last time you saw an Elemental archer on this server? Back then there were no free RCR periods, or RCR to begin with, so if you wanted to try out something new you had to level up the character from scratch, which of course meant that a lot of players were playing Elemental Archers for quite a while. But eventually, all fads will fade, either because the build or character concept doesn't suit individual preferences, or because something even more interesting popped up.

The same process happens today, but it runs its course much faster. After all, when a big new change gets implemented, you often get a free RCR period, which allows people to try out new things for a brief while to see if things are to their liking. Therefore, after giving something a spin for few hours; they can either RCR back to the old character or let that new character gather dust in their vault as they focus on some another character. And after the Polymorph changes arrived, for a while people were really talking about how they could use those cheap Epic Throwing Axes alongside with the Shapechange forms of 'Erinye' and 'Arboreal Elf' to land considerable amounts of ranged damage, with or without EDM, and little by little the fad faded out. After all, you do not need to Shapechange to to be an archer, and even if you make use of a carbon copy of the most generic Arcane/Elemental Archer build there is; you can still make your character look unique enough through character customization -- where as Shapechange only affords that one and same model for all players under the same form. Thus as it is with all possible additions to server; for as long as that something is not absolutely better than every other imaginable alternative -- it is most likely only used when a player can come up with an in character reason for a character to be, or to use, something. Which is why I brought up the whole 'Beast of Malar' in the build discussions -- it is a character concept, and not just a fun build to try out for a day or so.

Oh, and that brings us to the video posted by mrm3ntalist, who did cast Elemental Shield at one point, and I am not sure if he managed to deal any damage with it. Too high AC, too much displacement, etc. Elemental Shield only deals damage if your character suffers at least one point of damage. Thus what can I say, the whole gameplay loop of it looks a bit too dull and boring for my tastes. Which is why I tend to go with much lower AC, thus more hits will land, DR gets chewed out far faster, but at the same time Elemental Shield will land far more damage at your enemies. It literally is a race to see whether the enemy can kill your character before they kill themselves, I just find it more exciting, more fun, if I actually have to flee with just 1 hitpoint left.

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As for the question about the extra +12 damage, Northlander Hewing?

Re: Coming Soon: Shifter PRC

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:47 am
by mrm3ntalist
YYA wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:41 amOh, and that brings us to the video posted by mrm3ntalist, who did cast Elemental Shield at one point, and I am not sure if he managed to deal any damage with it. Too high AC, too much displacement, etc. Elemental Shield only deals damage if your character suffers at least one point of damage. Thus what can I say, the whole gameplay loop of it looks a bit too dull and boring for my tastes. Which is why I tend to go with much lower AC, thus more hits will land, DR gets chewed out far faster, but at the same time Elemental Shield will land far more damage at your enemies. It literally is a race to see whether the enemy can kill your character before they kill themselves, I just find it more exciting, more fun, if I actually have to flee with just 1 hitpoint left.
https://wiki.bgtscc.net/index.php?title ... h,_Greater

Elemental shield is there as fodder for the breach. Using the percentages of having ES breached instead of maybe a more useful spell... :roll:

Re: Coming Soon: Shifter PRC

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:54 am
by Steve
mrm3ntalist wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:40 am
Mirage wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:16 amNo, but seriously. Take that build somewhere that isn't the frost giant pushover and it'll flop over like a wet sheet of paper. (And not the CR 23 lizard cave either...)
Which area is not a push over for you?
I mean, obviously, at a minimum, to solo the Gray Peaks Balor, for all that juicy Loot Rebalance looooooootttttttzzzzzz! And do the White Dragon too, please.

And how about some PvP? I’ll be your punching bag…or maybe I’ll win?!? :naughty:

Re: Coming Soon: Shifter PRC

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:48 am
by YYA
mrm3ntalist wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:47 amhttps://wiki.bgtscc.net/index.php?title ... h,_Greater

Elemental shield is there as fodder for the breach. Using the percentages of having ES breached instead of maybe a more useful spell... :roll:
Yes, yes, but did you not have extra level two spell pick to pick up Death Armor as well? It is on the breach list, I do not think I spotted that purple ring in addition to the ring of fire from Elemental Shield.

Re: Coming Soon: Shifter PRC

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:10 am
by mrm3ntalist
Steve wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:54 am
mrm3ntalist wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:40 am
Mirage wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:16 amNo, but seriously. Take that build somewhere that isn't the frost giant pushover and it'll flop over like a wet sheet of paper. (And not the CR 23 lizard cave either...)
Which area is not a push over for you?
I mean, obviously, at a minimum, to solo the Gray Peaks Balor, for all that juicy Loot Rebalance looooooootttttttzzzzzz! And do the White Dragon too, please.

And how about some PvP? I’ll be your punching bag…or maybe I’ll win?!? :naughty:
The thing is that it can actually solo the graypeaks as well. The only boss that i dont think you can kill with polymorph is the White Dragon. You can tank it but not kill it because there is no shape with adamantine weapon
YYA wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:48 am
mrm3ntalist wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:47 amhttps://wiki.bgtscc.net/index.php?title ... h,_Greater

Elemental shield is there as fodder for the breach. Using the percentages of having ES breached instead of maybe a more useful spell... :roll:
Yes, yes, but did you not have extra level two spell pick to pick up Death Armor as well? It is on the breach list, I do not think I spotted that purple ring in addition to the ring of fire from Elemental Shield.
No, it is a sorc with limited spell selection. lvl2 is mostly for buffing. If one plans the build better might be able to have more spells as fodder.

Re: Coming Soon: Shifter PRC

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:26 pm
by Steve
Will the Shifter have to make any sort of Concentration check on dmg while shifting between forms?

Re: Coming Soon: Shifter PRC

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:40 pm
by mrm3ntalist
Mirage wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:16 amNo, but seriously. Take that build somewhere that isn't the frost giant pushover and it'll flop over like a wet sheet of paper. (And not the CR 23 lizard cave either...)
What it do???? :lol: :lol: :lol:

The Graypeaks are wiped clean. The only think that flopped over were the Balor, his General and all the giants...


Re: Coming Soon: Shifter PRC

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:43 pm
by Steve
Steve wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:26 pm Will the Shifter have to make any sort of Concentration check on dmg while shifting between forms?
Shifter transformations are instant, so no Concentration check. However, some of the special abilities of the forms DO have a Concentration check to be interrupted.

Re: Coming Soon: Shifter PRC

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:01 pm
by YYA
mrm3ntalist wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:10 amNo, it is a sorc with limited spell selection. lvl2 is mostly for buffing. If one plans the build better might be able to have more spells as fodder.
Level four spell, Abyssal Might, gives you +3 to Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution with just one cast, and the reason why I mention it is because most of the Shapechange forms have odd ability scores, thus you do not get the full benefit from the +4 granted by Bulls, Cats, and Bears, and if you can afford to swap a fourth level spell to Abyssal Might, you could increase the number of Breach buffer spells by three by potentially getting Death Armor, Resist Energy, and Ghostly Visage. I do not know what spells you have picked, but just throwing it out there.

And for the love of god, please, start using the GPS No Ring MOD!, you just need to have "fx_move_ring" and "fx_multiselect_ring" inside that folder to get rid of the ring around your character, while leaving target rings and movement spark as they were.

Re: Coming Soon: Shifter PRC

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:08 pm
by mrm3ntalist
YYA wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:01 pmAnd for the love of god, please, start using the GPS No Ring MOD!, you just need to have "fx_move_ring" and "fx_multiselect_ring" inside that folder to get rid of the ring around your character, while leaving target rings and movement spark as they were.

The VFXare great. Why would anyone remove them from a game?

Re: Coming Soon: Shifter PRC

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:06 pm
by Mirage
Nice use of interposing hand there. I guess it didn't flop over. I was wrong.

Re: Coming Soon: Shifter PRC

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:40 am
by Kalgain
- two new commands for all characters: ">POLYNOWEAPON" - removes weapon while under polymorph effect, ">POLYTOGGLEWEAPON" - toggles on/off weapons under polymorph effects that will be remembered
Does this have a gameplay effect or is it just for RP?

Re: Coming Soon: Shifter PRC

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:44 am
by DaloLorn
Kalgain wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:40 am
- two new commands for all characters: ">POLYNOWEAPON" - removes weapon while under polymorph effect, ">POLYTOGGLEWEAPON" - toggles on/off weapons under polymorph effects that will be remembered
Does this have a gameplay effect or is it just for RP?
Well, I would assume the gameplay effect is that you don't have a weapon. :P

Besides RP, unequipping weapons from polymorph will also allow you to travel through BG and similar regions where you are required to unequip your weapons.

Re: Coming Soon: Shifter PRC

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:07 pm
by Kalgain
It could be that the merged properties change from weapon to gloves. Or weapon feats get applied to either only unarmed or melee weapon

Re: Coming Soon: Regional History Feats and Human Subraces (Split 1.2)

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:43 pm
by Kitunenotsume
Will languages be available for complete repick when we get the Region feat?

While working through an RCR, I realized that I try to pick my regional languages anyway, so getting them for free from a regional background would be an unfortunate overlap.