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I believe natural bond is +2 and the other companion feat is +3 and +3 epic companion for a total of 8. I can't say because I never invested in companion feats as a druid or ranger. (Although the druid was far better than the ranger's without it)
bharring wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:30 am Per the wiki, Animal Companion with Epic Animal Companion at 30 tops out at a 23HD animal. Dragon Companion - another epic feat - gets a 26HD Dragon instead.
I wouldn't expect the Animal Companion to hold their own unsupported, but looks like they've stats enough to be quite useful.
Thanks for that. I just know my pet was level 8 to 9 when I was 17 and 18. Not good when you trying to fight minotaurs, wyvern, xvarts, and gnolls within lions way. If the Ranger pet is suppose to -3 levels lower than my pet should have level 14 to 15 respectively. That is something that should be looked into.bharring wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:27 am TLDR, with Natural Bond, a Ranger's companion is just as strong as a same-level Druid
Long version
https://wiki.bgtscc.net/index.php?title ... ion_(feat)
Ranger Animal Companions are same as a Druid of 3 levels lower.
https://wiki.bgtscc.net/index.php?title=Natural_Bond
The feat increases your effective level for Animal Companion by 3, up to your Character Level
So a 10th level Ranger with the feat has the same Animal Companion as a 10th level Druid.
Can't speak to the epic level feat (still level 19), but my Druid's companion has always been strong enough to matter. He's not as strong as another character my level, but he's not supposed to be.
That means a lvl 18 Ranger will have a lvl 9 Companion, and the chart to understand its power levels is here: https://wiki.bgtscc.net/index.php?title ... %28feat%29Ranger level A ranger's effective level for the purposes of determining the companion’s characteristics and special abilities is equal to half his ranger class level. This in addition to adjustments made for advanced choices.
Steve wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:26 am Really, the information is RIGHT THERE if you take the time and actually pay attention:
That means a lvl 18 Ranger will have a lvl 9 Companion, and the chart to understand its power levels is here: https://wiki.bgtscc.net/index.php?title ... %28feat%29Ranger level A ranger's effective level for the purposes of determining the companion’s characteristics and special abilities is equal to half his ranger class level. This in addition to adjustments made for advanced choices.
Um, isn't that under the heading "3.5e Comparison", which means that's how it works in PnP?Steve wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:26 am Really, the information is RIGHT THERE if you take the time and actually pay attention:
That means a lvl 18 Ranger will have a lvl 9 Companion, and the chart to understand its power levels is here: https://wiki.bgtscc.net/index.php?title ... %28feat%29Ranger level A ranger's effective level for the purposes of determining the companion’s characteristics and special abilities is equal to half his ranger class level. This in addition to adjustments made for advanced choices.
Dude, I understand that.bharring wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:11 am The wiki links to another wiki that has stats/level, at least 1-20. Seems the general rule of thumb is roughly +2HD every 3 levels for the companion.
We don't need Animal Companions to get +3HD for every 3 levels. This'd make Animal Companions theoretically as strong as the Ranger/Druid. Stronger, even, with the epic fate. Druids turning into 30HD dragons are strong, imagine druids turning into 30HD dragons with a 33+HD Animal Companion.
At any rate, doesn't impact HIPS vs Rangers all that much. Animal Companions can help take a little heat off, but without substantial support can't properly "tank". you're playing 1 PC not 2.
I wouldn't want the Ranger pets going the way of Vanilla WoW pets (Anyone who played Vanilla WoW knows what I am talking about ), but rather like Skullport the Ranger pets aren't really good after a certain level, which makes spells investment in them useless and most of the Ranger spell list is useless. It doesn't help that for a good bit your pet is 1/2 your level so going into an area that is designated for level 18 adventuring and you have a pet is 9 basically means your pet is outright useless.