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Ungodly crits and power attacks....should it work this way?
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:43 am
by Vadenor
Hello, just asking if this is a bug or not, i just saw someone crit for over 100 today and asked around and apparently WM/FB is a popular build. i checked the NWN 2 game engine and apparently power attack added
before crit damage is multiplied. when i did D&D in PnP it was always added after. should it really work this way?
i also confirmed mechanics before posting
http://nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/Critical_hit
EDIT i changed the wording to clarify after randy's and DM katzens posts.
Re: Ungodly crits and power attacks....is this a bug?
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:49 am
by Randall
You are vrong.
Extra attack "dice" are not calculated. Though, your STR, power attack, bonus from songs, buffs that gives enhencement or whatever, all of this is added before the multiplicator.

Re: Ungodly crits and power attacks....is this a bug?
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:17 am
by Vadenor
i dont think you read my post correctly....im not saying mathematically the system isnt working, its clearly doing its job and as a result apparently falcion WM/FBs are rolling what? 13+ threat range?
im asking should it be working this way?
Re: Ungodly crits and power attacks....is this a bug?
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:19 am
by Katzenjammer
It is working.
Re: Ungodly crits and power attacks....should it work this w
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:39 pm
by mute83
100 damage isnt alot

Re: Ungodly crits and power attacks....should it work this w
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:41 pm
by limited_resources
Why do I feel inferior suddenly?
Re: Ungodly crits and power attacks....should it work this w
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:04 pm
by mute83
my char that does it, is also build for it, and all his other weaknesses shows it. But it was fun to see and hear people being surpriced, when i 1 "shot" someone

Re: Ungodly crits and power attacks....should it work this w
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:10 pm
by Smyssel
You must be referring to a smite built Paladin, one-shotting evil characters.
Re: Ungodly crits and power attacks....should it work this w
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:50 pm
by Blackman D
no hes referring to 17-20 x5
my WM does 17-20 x4 and about 100 less damage than his does
Re: Ungodly crits and power attacks....should it work this w
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:59 pm
by Smyssel
Never seen a scythe WM actually one-shot though. Unless it's a Rogue or perhaps an unbuffed, or partially buffed caster.
Re: Ungodly crits and power attacks....should it work this w
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:04 pm
by Molag__Bal
A typical FB/WM with 30 buffed strength will crit for 245 - 275 with a +4 scythe. Not too hard to break 300 damage with a bit more strength, overwhelming critical feat and an enlarge person wand.
EDIT: And here is a build I did for mar3 when he was requesting Charnag NPC builds:
http://nwn2db.com/build.php?id=46025&version=1
With a +4 scythe, bulls strength wand, +3 charisma item, enlarge person wand and EDM activated it will average around 330 on a critical hit.
Re: Ungodly crits and power attacks....should it work this w
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:08 am
by dzidek1983
aasimar 20Paladin/10DC.... 300 without a crit... talk about divine assistance

give him a keen scythe and he'll do x4 on a crit
Re: Ungodly crits and power attacks....should it work this w
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:31 am
by Molag__Bal
dzidek1983 wrote:aasimar 20Paladin/10DC.... 300 without a crit... talk about divine assistance

give him a keen scythe and he'll do x4 on a crit
He gets 5 smites per day, and with a scythe has a ~10% chance of landing a critical hit. That assumes he doesn't miss any of his smite attempts either.
Re: Ungodly crits and power attacks....should it work this w
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:35 am
by DM Sword
Most of the difficult monsters and bosses on this server are immune to crits anyways.
Re: Ungodly crits and power attacks....should it work this w
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:42 am
by Randall
White wyrm isn't. I always have a lot of fun out there. Though, it's true that the two most dangerous "dongeons" are filled with monsters with crit imunities. Well, they are the two most dangerous for me because of my build I mean. Vault "Happy hugs" of the dead, and the maze.
