Idiosyncrasies with Faction System

[gedweyignasia]

If anyone can tell me SPECIFIC idiosyncrasies you've encountered using the NWN2 faction system, please tell me. Every issue you can remember in as much detail as you can remember; it will help greatly. Many people seem to say there are issues with it, but I'm having trouble finding them.

Issues I've been able to find listed:

1) http://www.nwnlexicon.com/index.php?tit ... aryNeutral
. . . And that's for NWN1, so I don't even know if that issue persists in NWN2.

2) Adjust Reputation
Does not adjust only a single player w/ respect to NPC faction, adjusts all players. Need to be able to effect only a single player
http://forum.bioware.com/topic/124251-b ... ions-list/

3) oSource and oTarget may be inverted in the GetReputation() function, the SetIsTemporaryEnemy/Neutral/Friend() functions, and the GetIsFriend/Enemy/Neutral functions.
http://forum.bioware.com/topic/124251-b ... ions-list/

4) AdjustReputation(x,y,n) Has some weirdness
http://forum.bioware.com/topic/124251-b ... ry10664242

5) Weirdness to setting temporary reputations:
http://forum.bioware.com/topic/376160-p ... raryenemy/

A huge thank you to anyone who can shed some light on this, and to everyone who's helped me out in the past.

[Luna]

I think the .FAC file is just busted if you add new factions.
Maybe all new factions added are automatically hostile to players in PW's.
Again.. this is just what I recollect.
But I might be wrong about that.

So in order to do a faction system it has to be very custom.

[gedweyignasia]

I've written an entirely custom faction system, I just have to make sure that I can make individual creatures hostile and neutral to the PC. I'm using SetIsTemporaryEnemy/Neutral/Friend to manage that. I need to make sure that I'm doing that right.

Essentially:
- You set every custom-faction creature to a default faction that is neutral to players
- You plug in my faction system and hook it into the AI where appropriate. It manages setting individual creatures to hostile/neutral. You do not set creatures to "ally", my system manages allies.

Edit:
To clarify, my factional system thus far ONLY focuses on interactions between NPCs and PCs. It is easily extensible to NPC-NPC interactions, but that's a moot point until I have it working perfectly between NPCs and PCs.

[Ivan38Rus]

I've written an entirely custom faction system, I just have to make sure that I can make individual creatures hostile and neutral to the PC. I'm using SetIsTemporaryEnemy/Neutral/Friend to manage that. I need to make sure that I'm doing that right.

Have you tested these Temporary features online?

In my experience they don't work online even when you switch campaing flag to UsePersonaLReputation (which is what I've attempted to do on this server)

[gedweyignasia]

I've written an entirely custom faction system, I just have to make sure that I can make individual creatures hostile and neutral to the PC. I'm using SetIsTemporaryEnemy/Neutral/Friend to manage that. I need to make sure that I'm doing that right.

Have you tested these Temporary features online?

In my experience they don't work online even when you switch campaing flag to UsePersonaLReputation (which is what I've attempted to do on this server)

No, that's what I'm trying to figure out so I can write something that's workable. What exactly doesn't work? Where did it break for you? Reputation just wasn't changed at all? Were you able to get creatures to become hostile, at least?

Relevant? Maybe. Amusing? Certainly!
http://forum.bioware.com/topic/544845-m ... st-the-pc/

[Ivan38Rus]

Functions SetIsTemporaryEnemy/Neutral/Friend do not do anything for any creature in my experience

[gedweyignasia]

They do nothing online or offline?

[Ivan38Rus]

Online.

It functions offline just fine, though

[7threalm]

still funny

http://neverwintervault.org/project/nwn ... ction-wand

I would look on the nwn vault to

[gedweyignasia]

Online.

It functions offline just fine, though

Okay, so what do I have to do to recreate this being broken? I need to break it so I can fix it.

[Ivan38Rus]

You should try hosting a server to test those functions. Preferrably with NWNx installed

[gedweyignasia]

Can you give me simple instructions to create a situation where it should work and where it shouldn't work?