Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

I'm mainly interested in knowing is it worth it? On a melee build that is, but keep in mind that you have a wonderful Ring of The Knight ring which gives +2 to CON and DEX in addition to granting Toughness feat (which does not qualify you for SD as it is item granted). So with a class which doesn't get Toughness for free (like AK and FB) is it worth it to take 2 feats in order to have SD?

Depends of if you have UMD or not really. I love the feat if you can spare feats. I usually couple it with Indomitable will as well. Is a solid feat and that 1 roll failure does happen more than you would like or even think. Most days they come in droves......

If you can fit it in there, it is very useful to have on a build that has high fortitude saves. If you do not have high fortitude saves it is less useful.

Here is the priority I place on my melee toon feats

Top priority:
AB and damage feats
Weapon focus feats
Weapon specialization feats
Melee weapon mastery feats
Able learner (for UMD and Tumble. I don't like builds without those)
Expose weakness

Second priority:
AC feats:
-LOH
-Two weapon defense
-Combat expertise
-Armor skin

Third Priority:
Utility feats:
Blindfight
Improved Crit
Steadfast
Epic stat increases

Obviously this isn't set in stone based on the type of build, but it is a general guideline.

Does not Steadfast Determination (as a bug) also affect Will saves, meaning that if you roll a 1 on Will saves, you get a re-roll on them as well as on your Fort saves?
From what I recall that used to be the case before.
I try to take the feat on most chars that have a decent will and fort save, but that is in the UD, I don't know how common these rolls are in pve on the surface.

It's not a reroll, maseoo. If your total save still beats the DC, a roll of 1 is no longer auto-failure. And yes, an unfortunate bugged side effect is that will saves no longer auto-fail on a roll of 1 (but still assuming the total roll beats the DC).

The Will Save 'feature' is there whether you have Steadfast or not I believe.

If you have high Con and low Wis then Steadfast is also a handy boost to your Will Save. My rule is I take it almost always if I already have Toughness (e.g. AK, FB, or I'm a DD). Otherwise you need 2 Feats for it and it's not so attractive.

Given this bug, then is it even necessary to consider taking Epic Resilience?

Well Epic Resilience is the legit way to avoid auto-fails for Fort, Reflex and Will. It requires a 3 feat investment, though. Steadfast only gives avoidance for auto-fail on Fort, in addition to adding CON mod to will saves, and the bugged avoidance of auto-fail on said Will saves. So for a character with low WIS but high CON it is a great feat to pick.

And actually, now that I think about it, my drow bard does not have Steadfast but I have noticed on occasion rolls of 1 on her will save vs. Umberhulk confusion gaze but the effect does not happen. Other times it does. I don't know what bug that is, though.

I have a character with 6 WIS and 18 CON, that feat gave me +6 to my will save, as well as the effect on fort saves, so yes, it was extremely needed on this guy.

Tsidkenu wrote:my drow bard does not have Steadfast but I have noticed on occasion rolls of 1 on her will save vs. Umberhulk confusion gaze but the effect does not happen. Other times it does. I don't know what bug that is, though.

Game bug. You don't autofail will or reflex on a roll of 1. Only fortitude auto-fail when you roll that. Unless you've steadfast or the less appealing epic resilience feat.

Thanks for clearing that up.

it is very useful to have on a build that has high fortitude saves

Resuscitating this topic for a question to veteran players: How high should those saves be exactly, do you think? What Fortitude score should be reached (via items, buffs, etc.) for Steadfast to be worthwhile?

I need to choose between Impr. Crit Longbow and Steadfast on an Assassin build. My WIS score is only 3 lower than CON, so that bonus doesn't mean much...

Rudolph wrote:

it is very useful to have on a build that has high fortitude saves

Resuscitating this topic for a question to veteran players: How high should those saves be exactly, do you think? What Fortitude score should be reached (via items, buffs, etc.) for Steadfast to be worthwhile?

I need to choose between Impr. Crit Longbow and Steadfast on an Assassin build. My WIS score is only 3 lower than CON, so that bonus doesn't mean much...

Bow wielding assassin build? The Impr. Crit Longbow is far more useful to that specific build than steadfast.

Decent saves are mid 20ish. For Fort its better to aim for 30. those as vague aim +spells/buffs/spellcraft ranks

Bow wielding assassin build? The Impr. Crit Longbow is far more useful to that specific build than steadfast.

Mmmh. I could also take both and give up 1 AC (from Armor Skin).