Has the Expose Weakness auto-hit bug been fixed?

[Charraj]

So I am contemplating a rebuild (or three), but am wondering about the EW bug. If anyone has the answer, I would be much obliged.

If this has been answered elsewhere, just lemme know. Thanks!

[Steve]

Don't think so. Don't think it ever will be adjusted, either. Such simple adjustments to tone down it's overwhelming OP-ness—just imagine how 2+ EW toons can cause a -30 AC drop —could have been done YEARS ago.

I'm pretty sure if it does get adjusted, you'd see/read an equally upset group on the level of the CL/Dispel Bug Fix issue.

[Theodore01]

Now would be a perfect time to 'fix' that too. (As Fighters are still to powerful )

don't get me wrong - i'm all for fixing the autohit.

[King Leoric]

Unfortunately, it is still 100% auto-hit, if you time it right...

[Ivan38Rus]

[chad878262]

It very well may be fixed, but I wouldn't confuse the fact that it's a "simple error" with it being a "simple fix"

Fixing it is a bit complex to still make it useful while ensuring the inaccuracies are addressed. There are "nerfs" to make it less powerful that are fairly straight forward, but don't actually make it accurate per the description so much as tone down the power level. Truly fixing the feat is more labor intensive and must be done carefully to ensure it doesn't become useless to the characters it is supposed to help.

[metaquad4]

My impression of the fix (that is implemented) was that it is still an auto-hit, but unless you would have actually hit their AC isn't debuffed. Correct me if I am wrong on that score.

[chad878262]

that is not a fix though, it's how it has always worked. It's an auto-hit, and if you actually hit it debuffs their AC.

My only point was that Rasael actually does have several ideas for a fix, but because of the complexity it is better that be handled separately from the content that was already developed and ready to go for this release. We will continue discussing EW QC side with Ras, Duster and the DM's and a fix will be implemented that doesn't unnecessarily hurt the builds it is designed for, while bringing it's power level in line with the intended mechanic.

[Steve]

My only point was that Rasael actually does have several ideas for a fix, but because of the complexity it is better that be handled separately from the content that was already developed and ready to go for this release. We will continue discussing EW QC side with Ras, Duster and the DM's and a fix will be implemented that doesn't unnecessarily hurt the builds it is designed for, while bringing it's power level in line with the intended mechanic.

What you say here is the same things said 2+ years ago.

[chad878262]

What you say here is the same things said 2+ years ago.

That sounds a lot like the argument statement that "there haven't been updates to the server in 3 years" that I've seen since joining until the recent update... The dispel fix was never going to go in...but here it is!

Times they are a changin'



Edit: fixed, you are correct Steve...My inaccurate use of vocabulary is obviously making the above statement inaccurate! All kidding aside it is a statement and not an argument, but my point stands that the statement about stuff being said 2+ years ago doesn't necessarily mean changes won't come in the future.

[Steve]

That sounds a lot like the argument that ...

I appreciate your positivism, Chad, I really do. And yes, the times are changing.

But I do hope you can see the difference between a statement, and an argument.

[Uranus]

That sounds a lot like the argument that ...

I appreciate your positivism, Chad, I really do. And yes, the times are changing.

But I do hope you can see the difference between a statement, and an argument.

Please Steve, you were head dm at the time ( and to your credit very involved with QC ) so you should know why EW is not fixed.

What you might dont know though is that it is not EW that is OP but the whole package of Evasion/EW (Explained briefly here - http://bgtscc.net/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=50912 )

You want to suggest something that can actually be done? Have evasion work only in no or light armor ( http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/range ... gerEvasion - http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/rogue.htm ) as it should, and in extension EW working only in light or no armor. Then add an 18sec timer and there you go, problems solved with no need to rewrite buggy custom feats.

[Ivan38Rus]

. Then add an 18sec timer and there you go, problems solved with no need to rewrite buggy custom feats.

Yes, this is the most efficient solution. I still don't believe (or agree, for that matter) that EW's biggest problem is auto-hit. It's kinda crap but not that big of a deal, unless you're a 90hp wizard who gets hit through mirror's image, I guess.

[Steve]

You want to suggest something that can actually be done? Have evasion work only in no or light armor ( http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/range ... gerEvasion - http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/rogue.htm ) as it should, and in extension EW working only in light or no armor. Then add an 18sec timer and there you go, problems solved with no need to rewrite buggy custom feats.

The 18 sec timer was something—when I was Head DM—that Luna said they "should just do" to calm the bitching, which I admit, was always on the forefront of. Some things never change! Though, some things never get changed, as well...as in, Luna never made the adjustment.

And yes, I also have no problem with "fixing" the Evasion and EW in only light or no armor issue. Especially why there is a 100% RCR Bake Sale going on. It would be the appropriate time to do it.

Though, still in effect is the issue of tailoring the Entire Server Environment to balance out those changes, just as complicated as adjusting for the CL/Dispel Bug fix.

[Uranus]

Though, still in effect is the issue of tailoring the Entire Server Environment to balance out those changes, just as complicated as adjusting for the CL/Dispel Bug fix.

We should all know. MAny old timers warned you ( the dms making desicions ) about it.