Warlock DC/Casterlevel low since last update.

[Groburn]

Since today's Update 29/04/16 my warlock's Caster level has been crippled. My DC is lower by 6 for eldrich blasts and my caster level for invocations is also lower.

[flyingchair]

Same, my vampiric feast dc is reduced from 34 to 21... i play a warlock too.

[ctothep]

I am missing 1 DC aswell

[mrm3ntalist]

Can you guys give us more details. As in the build split, the ability points, what DCs you should get and what you actually get.

[Groburn]

Warlock 24/Fighter 4. Got practiced invoker. DC for blasts was 29 before update now is 23.
Summon Shadow Demons invocation has lower caster level also . Demons lvl is 14 instead of previous 18. Overall CL for my toon has decreased by fair bit cuz mobs tend to resist my blasts much more often with their spell resistance.

[NegInfinity]

My DC got lowered too, by 4 points.

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warlock 15/hellfire warlock 4 CHA+6 with fiendish heritage.
Brimstone eldritch doom and normal eldritch doom results in reflex DC 20.

Warlock save DC is calculated as 10 + Cha modifier + equivalent spell level.

Eldritch doom ESL is 8. So 8 +10 + 6 = 24.

DC wasn't that great before, but now level 1 tradeway bandits manage to resist it.

[DiceyCZ]

My DC is also bogus...for reflex on Eldritch doom it's 23, should be 10+8(CHA)+8(spell level) (+1 for fey power?) at least. BTW all my DCs seem to be 23 now somehow...which is all lower by 4 points too if that's just coincidence? And focus invocations seemed to add +2 to essences before, I thought that was intentional with all the changes going on and none of the warlock changes seemed to be posted anywhere except wiki from like who knows how long ago?

Edit: So the DC fell even more to 21 after the two server crashes for both Bewitching Blast and Eldritch Doom

[NegInfinity]

It just occurred to me that this kind of thing would happen if Invocation started using Invocation Level instead of Equivalent Spell Level for DCs. (Meaning 11+ cha mod DC for least, 12+ cha mod DC for lesser, 13+ cha mod DC for greater and 14+cha mod for dark)

I'd advise to check if that's the case.

If that IS the case, it should be reverted asap to previous version. This kind of change would be against PnP and would make playing DC warlock harder (Mobs already have inflated saves here).

[Rasael]

It just occurred to me that this kind of thing would happen if Invocation started using Invocation Level instead of Equivalent Spell Level for DCs. (Meaning 11+ cha mod DC for least, 12+ cha mod DC for lesser, 13+ cha mod DC for greater and 14+cha mod for dark)

I'd advise to check if that's the case.

If that IS the case, it should be reverted asap to previous version. This kind of change would be against PnP and would make playing DC warlock harder (Mobs already have inflated saves here).

This is what I found yesterday. I wrote a work around for Duster which should hopepfully make it live today. Won't be perfect but it'll hold over fine until it can be properly fixed.

[NegInfinity]

It just occurred to me that this kind of thing would happen if Invocation started using Invocation Level instead of Equivalent Spell Level for DCs. (Meaning 11+ cha mod DC for least, 12+ cha mod DC for lesser, 13+ cha mod DC for greater and 14+cha mod for dark)

I'd advise to check if that's the case.

If that IS the case, it should be reverted asap to previous version. This kind of change would be against PnP and would make playing DC warlock harder (Mobs already have inflated saves here).

This is what I found yesterday. I wrote a work around for Duster which should hopepfully make it live today. Won't be perfect but it'll hold over fine until it can be properly fixed.

Alright, I gotta ask. Why change DC calculation if it was working fine before?

[Rasael]

Alright, I gotta ask. Why change DC calculation if it was working fine before?

It wasn't working fine.

The original methods are hardcoded and can't be customized, at all, without breaking open the game. So what you had was double values for casterlevel and DC being calculated, where the highest would be used. This resulted in bugs when the lowest of those values is actually correct.

Its not a good practice to keep creating exception-scenarios for those cases, and doing double calculations: so we don't do that anymore.

[Groburn]

Alright, I gotta ask. Why change DC calculation if it was working fine before?

It wasn't working fine.

The original methods are hardcoded and can't be customized, at all, without breaking open the game. So what you had was double values for casterlevel and DC being calculated, where the highest would be used. This resulted in bugs when the lowest of those values is actually correct.

Its not a good practice to keep creating exception-scenarios for those cases, and doing double calculations: so we don't do that anymore.

So what you actually mean now is that we have the fixed DC calculations now and the ones before the last update were wrong ?
If so well... goodbye DC locks

[Rhifox]

That's not what he was saying. He was saying that they are coding in an entirely new DC infrastructure, because messing with the old one was difficult/impossible. The DCs as they are right now are wrong and will be getting fixed, the current problem is just a hiccup coming from the replacement of the underlying infrastructure.

[Young Werther]

The old way of calculating seemed to have randomly gave me +1 on my lock's DCs when using fireside exhalation. It was kinda nice.

[Nocturnus]

I can confirm, my level 11 warlock had a DC of 20 now it's only 16. My invocations are useless now and I even took invocation focus and have decent charisma bonus.