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Elven Bladesinger/Wizard-Fighter

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Not sure if I can actually call him a Bladesinger, so we'll call it a Wizard/Fighter until I know.
I'm really sorry to bother anyone who reads this AGAIN, I'm just having trouble convincing my brother to look over it, and no one else I know plays NWN2, and I'm really sure the build has a problem but I can't figure out what the problem is.

http://nwn2db.com/build/?242358

He's going to wear +Enhancement clothes, no armor I mean, a few armor increasing items I have, and two shortswords. His arcane spells are intended for buffing.

I wrote his backstory already, said his parents' names, his early life, how he learned his fighting skill, other stuff. I just need to make sure he won't suck in a fight.

EDIT: I think this one is better: http://nwn2db.com/build/?242392
EDIT 2: I updated it again. It has 25 CL now. http://nwn2db.com/build/?242414
EDIT 3: Updated again. I think it has higher CL, and I switched to Swashbuckler for the bonus INT damage and dexterity focus built-in. http://nwn2db.com/build/?242485
EDIT 4: Now you've seen my FINAL FORM: (And now for something completely different:) http://nwn2db.com/build/?242533 The AC shown is inaccurate, as it does not count Bladesong Style AC, the amazing buffs it'll wear, the EB'd clothes, and the magic gear I already have for him. Also Combat Expertise. All in all, it should be at least 50 until he's dispelled. I think I'm miscounting, but not sure.
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Re: Elven Bladesinger/Wizard-Fighter

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Thematicly, I would call it a spellsword over a bladesinger, because a bladesinger uses his offhand to cast spells with the blade in the main. Bladesinger is lore heavy, and has some roleplay quirks you need to be aware of.
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Tantive wrote:Thematicly, I would call it a spellsword over a bladesinger, because a bladesinger uses his offhand to cast spells with the blade in the main. Bladesinger is lore heavy, and has some roleplay quirks you need to be aware of.
Alright, thanks.

Do you think the build is okay?
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- Fighter and Wizard don't get tumble as class skill on BG.
- Very low damage. weapon + 10 on main hand. And that's in epic levels.
- 10 levels of wizard? For what?

If you want to do this, you'd be better off with a fighter12/wizard8/eldrich knight10 or fighter8/wizard12/eldrich knight10 with a strength focus.

Unfortunately, there are few ways of making dual wielding characters have a lot of damage. The only real way to make it worthwhile as a gish, is with the wizard/eldrich knight/assassin/arcane trickster splits, but they are a pain to level.
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Re: Elven Bladesinger/Wizard-Fighter

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You wouldn't want to be a low CL Wizard that's for sure. I'd suggest thinking about Wizard10/EK10/Dragonslayer10 or similar - you get to CL28 and have 25BAB in that combination, plus DS gets you all the proficiencies you need and Tumble as a Class skill.
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No, the wizard levels are for buffs and he needs at least 3rd level spells because Improved Mage Armor. He's also going to have things like Bull Strength and Cat's Grace and Shield and Protection from Alignment.

Also, he has to be a moon elf because I already wrote his biography.
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You're missing the point. If he requires the buffs to hit (which yours does) then every two-bit caster will dispel him, leaving him completely useless.
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Re: Elven Bladesinger/Wizard-Fighter

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fearknight2003 wrote:No, the wizard levels are for buffs
No practiced spellcaster. you'll have CL 10, and ANYTHING in the game will destroy your buffs immediately. An orcish mystic in woods of sharpteeth will sneeze at you and you'll be without buffs. Duration will be painfully short. Str/Dex buffs will last ten minutes.

This server have restriction on rest, the higher your level is, the longer is the forced pause between rests. At epic levels you're allowed to rest something like once per 15 minutes.

Also, 8 constitution on a melee build? That's not a good idea.
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You can rest once every 45 seconds per character level (HD). So at level 30 you can rest once every 22.5 minutes. With ten wizard levels in that build, you'll cast your handful of spells, get dispelled by the first mob who casts it at you, and then be nothing more than a level 20 fighter for the remaining 20 mins or so until your next rest. You at LEAST want 20 CL so as to last till your next rest, but even that kind of build will have their buffs ripped to shreds by any Greater Dispel casting mob. Follow one of Deathgrowl's builds and you'll have a better time of it.
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Is the new one I posted any better?
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Tsidkenu wrote:You at LEAST want 20 CL so as to last till your next rest, but even that kind of build will have their buffs ripped to shreds by any Greater Dispel casting mob. Follow one of Deathgrowl's builds and you'll have a better time of it.
I would start with this advice. Your new build is still too low CL.
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So how's the NEW one? Is 25 CL enough?
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Its still on the low side. Forget about CE, ICE, TW-Defense, what you want is damage with your weapons.

If you go for Dex 25 take Perfect TWF.
And 158 hp for a fighter-type, thats not much, most epic traps will oneshot you.
Craft Magic Arms and Armor has no use yet, and who knows when ever crafting will be implemented.
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Theodore01 wrote:Its still on the low side. Forget about CE, ICE, TW-Defense, what you want is damage with your weapons.

If you go for Dex 25 take Perfect TWF.
And 158 hp for a fighter-type, thats not much, most epic traps will oneshot you.
Craft Magic Arms and Armor has no use yet, and who knows when ever crafting will be implemented.
I read somewhere that it would be in the next few weeks.
Okay, I'll swap out the TW-Defense feats and swap in some damage feats.
Also, I don't know what to do about the hp.
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fearknight2003 wrote:Also, I don't know what to do about the hp.
How about not starting with 10 Con? Taking Toughness instead of Dodge maybe? There's 60HP for you.
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