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Lowering saving throws
Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 7:02 am
by Zanniej
What ways are there to lower saving throws?
For example, the Blackguard's aura is one, inspire jarring is another (just will). What other ways are there?
Re: Lowering saving throws
Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 7:26 am
by Moltrazahn
Energy drain or other forms of leveldrain (enervate or something). Then you got the various spells that drain specific attributes like str or int/wis. Expose weakness is good if you need to do touch-attack and need to bypass the AC (which in turn let's you affect the target with spells etc). Warlocks have various INVOCATIONS that let you effect saves as well. MMA also let's you challabgeca target which lowers various attributes.
Re: Lowering saving throws
Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 7:42 am
by Young Werther
Touch of idiocy drains wisdom. It also drains charisma if you're up against a lock, pally, blackguard.
Re: Lowering saving throws
Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 2:12 pm
by Blackman D
mind fog is a -10 will save, but requires a will save
crushing despair is -2 on everything, also bestow curse will lower saves thru stat reduction
Re: Lowering saving throws
Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 2:27 pm
by illithid
Curse song
Re: Lowering saving throws
Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 2:57 pm
by The Whistler
Warpriest's war glory aura. Pretty short range tho
Re: Lowering saving throws
Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 3:18 pm
by Karond
The divine spells prayer and battletide. Battletide has a save, prayer doesn't (except spell resistance).