Barbarian Build Questions

[calvinus]

Hello!

I was thinking of making a new barbarian due to the recent class changes. What do you all think of this build?

http://nwn2db.com/build/?255961

1. Is there a low cost way to incorporate EW and EP?
2. Will the AB and damage be high enough?
3. Does the constitution from standard rage up the duration length of rages?
4. Increase Int somehow and sub out Great Resil to get the two knockdown feats?
5. Thunderous rage at level 20 barb?

Thanks for your help!

[Steve]

You didn't list what BarbRian bonus feats you'll choose at Barb 10/20. Because Barbarisn gets Evasion at Barb 18, your Barb 20 in Epics can be spent on EW.

Drop Imp. critical and get a Keen Axe.

40 AB is a good starting point. The base damage is what: 21 or so even with IPA. That is quite low, unless you crit all the time, but then again, crit immune mobs are plentiful, right?!?

[Valefort]

As Steve said Barbarian get free feats at 10 and 20, so here is another version of your build :

http://nwn2db.com/build/?255994

I dropped greater resilency and improved crit to take, in my opinion, much needed extend rage feats. Also fighter 10 barb 20 because barb 21-22 don't bring much to the table.

AB, AC and damage are as follow :

AB : 30 (BAB) +4 (epic weapon focus) +1 (epic prowess) + 7 (STR, with +2 item) +4 (EB) - 6 (IPA) = 40, 45 while raging

AC : 10 (base) +1 (LoH) +2 (barbarian 20) +1 (tumble) + 1 (heavy armor optimization) + 8 (full plate) + 1 (DEX bonus) + 4 (deflection) +4 (dodge) +4 (enchant) + 8 (natural, ice troll) = 44 AC while raging, use an heavy shield out of rage for 46 AC

Damage : 1d8 (base) + 18 (STR mod *3/2) + 12 (IPA) + 4 (EB) =1d8+34 ~ 38.5 while raging

Battelaxe + shield : 1d8 (base) +7 (STR) +12 (IPA) + 4 (EB) = 1d8+23 ~ 27.5

3. Does the constitution from standard rage up the duration length of rages?

Yes, that's the only advantage of standard rage over whirlwind frenzy.

4. Increase Int somehow and sub out Great Resil to get the two knockdown feats?

Meh, not really worth it I think. You can always drop heavy armor optim to pick simple knockdown if you like.

5. Thunderous rage at level 20 barb?

Couldn't quite fit it in my version.

[calvinus]

As Steve said Barbarian get free feats at 10 and 20, so here is another version of your build :

http://nwn2db.com/build/?255994

I dropped greater resilency and improved crit to take, in my opinion, much needed extend rage feats. Also fighter 10 barb 20 because barb 21-22 don't bring much to the table.

AB, AC and damage are as follow :

AB : 30 (BAB) +4 (epic weapon focus) +1 (epic prowess) + 7 (STR, with +2 item) +4 (EB) - 6 (IPA) = 40, 45 while raging

AC : 10 (base) +1 (LoH) +2 (barbarian 20) +1 (tumble) + 1 (heavy armor optimization) + 8 (full plate) + 1 (DEX bonus) + 4 (deflection) +4 (dodge) +4 (enchant) + 8 (natural, ice troll) = 44 AC while raging, use an heavy shield out of rage for 46 AC

Damage : 1d8 (base) + 18 (STR mod *3/2) + 12 (IPA) + 4 (EB) =1d8+34 ~ 38.5 while raging

Battelaxe + shield : 1d8 (base) +7 (STR) +12 (IPA) + 4 (EB) = 1d8+23 ~ 27.5

3. Does the constitution from standard rage up the duration length of rages?

Yes, that's the only advantage of standard rage over whirlwind frenzy.

4. Increase Int somehow and sub out Great Resil to get the two knockdown feats?

Meh, not really worth it I think. You can always drop heavy armor optim to pick simple knockdown if you like.

5. Thunderous rage at level 20 barb?

Couldn't quite fit it in my version.

Thanks!

Is Thunderous rage even worth that much given it is only 1/20 chance to crit with a battle axe?

Any merit to getting whirlwind rage instead or is standard better for this build?

You didn't list what BarbRian bonus feats you'll choose at Barb 10/20. Because Barbarisn gets Evasion at Barb 18, your Barb 20 in Epics can be spent on EW.

Drop Imp. critical and get a Keen Axe.

40 AB is a good starting point. The base damage is what: 21 or so even with IPA. That is quite low, unless you crit all the time, but then again, crit immune mobs are plentiful, right?!?

I was not clear I meant TR at level 20 and maybe knockdown at 10, sorry about that! Thanks!

[Valefort]

Standard rage can't hold up a candle to the whirlwind version : whirlwind gives you the same STR bonus, another attack at highest AB, more AC and more reflex saves, just less CON (but that small advantage of standard rage can kill you some time so ... ).

Thundering rage probably not worth it with such a narrow crit range.

[calvinus]

Standard rage can't hold up a candle to the whirlwind version : whirlwind gives you the same STR bonus, another attack at highest AB, more AC and more reflex saves, just less CON (but that small advantage of standard rage can kill you some time so ... ).

Thundering rage probably not worth it with such a narrow crit range.

Thx. Is there a high crit version of this that would make sense RP wise? I doubt there is given it seems questionable to me personally at least to have a barbarian using a scythe or falchion lol.

Also, defense wise, any merit to dropping heavy armor op and taking greater resilience?

[Valefort]

Longsword ? With a keen one or improved crit you're at 17-20 crit.

I'd keep the +1AC feat over the +1 DR personally.

[calvinus]

Longsword ? With a keen one or improved crit you're at 17-20 crit.

I'd keep the +1AC feat over the +1 DR personally.

Is greater resilience not +3 DR after the class changes instead of 1? I thought it was, but I could easily be mistaken!

[Valefort]

No, Greater resiliency could not be changed, it's still only +1 DR.

[Theodore01]

No, Greater resiliency could not be changed, it's still only +1 DR.

wait, please say this is not true

11/20/2016
Class Changes - Barbarian Class changes are final and should now all be working properly

[AlfarinIcebreaker]

You didn't list what BarbRian bonus feats you'll choose at Barb 10/20. Because Barbarisn gets Evasion at Barb 18, your Barb 20 in Epics can be spent on EW.

Is this correct? Do Barbarians really get Evasion on level 18? And what is this about Greater Resiliency? It was supposed to grant +3 to DR, right?

[Steve]

Is this correct?

This is Barbarians now.

[Valefort]

Greater resiliency could not be changed and still gives only 1 DR.