Dragonslayer - a non caster buff...

[Sun Wukong]

So.. if Dragonslayer does not pick any spellcasting progression, could they get dodge AC against dragons based on the number of Dragonslayer levels? Asking for a friend, last seen in a mirror!

[Theodore01]

Or 3-4 fighter feats instead.

[Calodan]

Or 3-4 fighter feats instead.

So Dragon Slayer NON Magical progression! I vote yes on that. Seriously.

[Sun Wukong]

I wouldn't object to free feats, but that would lead to free RCR requests... And those 'fighter bonus feats' could be spent on things such as Epic Prowess, Armor Skin, Epic Damage Reduction, and Epic Toughness.

So perhaps... that +10 Dodge armor against dragons is an easier thing to argue for...

[Theodore01]

So perhaps... that +10 Dodge armor against dragons is an easier thing to argue for...

How does the spell progression only work against dragons ???

[Calodan]

So perhaps... that +10 Dodge armor against dragons is an easier thing to argue for...

How does the spell progression only work against dragons ???

That does not however the 10 levels of Dragon slayer do give said Dragonslayer +1 magical damage to dragons/level of DS. So I guess it would make more sense to make it dragon specific and then said DS can go have fun in the forest of wyrms.

[Sun Wukong]

Exactly, and the change would really only affect PvE... Or do the dragon shaped druids count?

[Sun Wukong]

So perhaps... that +10 Dodge armor against dragons is an easier thing to argue for...

How does the spell progression only work against dragons ???

Ah, took me a while to come up a clever enough response. So here it goes:

Because a non-casting Dragonslayer is not pursuing a casting profession, let it be arcane studies or the quest for divine favour, thus they can spend their time practising barrel rolls and what not to better evade the claws, fangs, horns, and tails of dragons. Hence more dodge AC against dragons!

It makes perfect sense!

[Tantive]

In PNP, the dragonslayer spell penetration was only for the dragon class.

[Theodore01]

Because a non-casting Dragonslayer is not pursuing a casting profession, let it be arcane studies or the quest for divine favour, thus they can spend their time practising barrel rolls and what not to better evade the claws, fangs, horns, and tails of dragons. Hence more dodge AC against dragons!

It makes perfect sense!

Hence thats why they are good at dodging against dragons anything!

[Theodore01]

Oh wait - just give them Mobility, Spring Attack, Dash and Fast movement instead of Spell progression.

And two fighter feats instead of Spell penetration/GSP.

[chad878262]

[Sun Wukong]

Oh wait - just give them Mobility, Spring Attack, Dash and Fast movement instead of Spell progression.

And two fighter feats instead of Spell penetration/GSP.

I cannot argue against that!

[metaquad4]

Dragonslayer could be re-designed and separated out in a similar fashion to how elite commando is.

Spell-Casting Dragon Slayer (could create separate for arcane and divine, if someone has ideas for that) - Stays the same

Martial Dragon Slayer:
--Change spell penetration to 1d2 elemental damage 1/day for 1 hour per dragon slayer level (can choose from any element).
--Change greater spell penetration to 1d6 elemental damage 2/day for 1 hour per dragon slayer level (can choose from any element).

The idea with these is that the martial dragon slayer will anoint their weapons with an alchemical mixture and know enough about their chosen dragon to use the element they are weakest against. Of course, like spell-penetration (which is probably signifying the ability to deal with a dragon's natural resistance to magic), it has applications against other monsters.

--Instead of spell progression, it gets +Dragon Slayer Level in AB vs Dragons (as well as damage) OR 3 bonus feats. 1 at 3, 1 at 6, and 1 at 9. Either works, the AB is more thematic.

[Sun Wukong]

If Dragonlslayers get elemental damage, why would anyone go for the Dragon Warrior?