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Dragonslayer - a non caster buff...
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:32 pm
by Sun Wukong
So.. if Dragonslayer does not pick any spellcasting progression, could they get dodge AC against dragons based on the number of Dragonslayer levels? Asking for a friend, last seen in a mirror!

Re: Dragonslayer - a non caster buff...
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:41 pm
by Theodore01
Or 3-4 fighter feats instead.

Re: Dragonslayer - a non caster buff...
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:52 pm
by Calodan
Theodore01 wrote:Or 3-4 fighter feats instead.

So Dragon Slayer NON Magical progression! I vote yes on that. Seriously.
Re: Dragonslayer - a non caster buff...
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:42 am
by Sun Wukong
I wouldn't object to free feats, but that would lead to free RCR requests... And those 'fighter bonus feats' could be spent on things such as Epic Prowess, Armor Skin, Epic Damage Reduction, and Epic Toughness.
So perhaps... that +10 Dodge armor against dragons is an easier thing to argue for...

Re: Dragonslayer - a non caster buff...
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:06 am
by Theodore01
Comments Only wrote:So perhaps... that +10 Dodge armor against dragons is an easier thing to argue for...

How does the spell progression only work against dragons ???

Re: Dragonslayer - a non caster buff...
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:35 am
by Calodan
Theodore01 wrote:Comments Only wrote:So perhaps... that +10 Dodge armor against dragons is an easier thing to argue for...

How does the spell progression only work against dragons ???

That does not however the 10 levels of Dragon slayer do give said Dragonslayer +1 magical damage to dragons/level of DS. So I guess it would make more sense to make it dragon specific and then said DS can go have fun in the forest of wyrms.
Re: Dragonslayer - a non caster buff...
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:00 pm
by Sun Wukong
Exactly, and the change would really only affect PvE... Or do the dragon shaped druids count?
Re: Dragonslayer - a non caster buff...
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:33 pm
by Sun Wukong
Theodore01 wrote:Comments Only wrote:So perhaps... that +10 Dodge armor against dragons is an easier thing to argue for...

How does the spell progression only work against dragons ???

Ah, took me a while to come up a clever enough response. So here it goes:
Because a non-casting Dragonslayer is not pursuing a casting profession, let it be arcane studies or the quest for divine favour, thus they can spend their time practising barrel rolls and what not to better evade the claws, fangs, horns, and tails of dragons. Hence more dodge AC against dragons!
It makes perfect sense!

Re: Dragonslayer - a non caster buff...
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:39 pm
by Tantive
In PNP, the dragonslayer spell penetration was only for the dragon class.
Re: Dragonslayer - a non caster buff...
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:41 pm
by Theodore01
Comments Only wrote:Because a non-casting Dragonslayer is not pursuing a casting profession, let it be arcane studies or the quest for divine favour, thus they can spend their time practising barrel rolls and what not to better evade the claws, fangs, horns, and tails of dragons. Hence more dodge AC against dragons!
It makes perfect sense!

Hence thats why they are good at dodging against
dragons anything!
Re: Dragonslayer - a non caster buff...
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:23 pm
by Theodore01
Oh wait - just give them Mobility, Spring Attack, Dash and Fast movement instead of Spell progression.
And two fighter feats instead of Spell penetration/GSP.

Re: Dragonslayer - a non caster buff...
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:27 pm
by chad878262
Re: Dragonslayer - a non caster buff...
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:38 am
by Sun Wukong
Theodore01 wrote:Oh wait - just give them Mobility, Spring Attack, Dash and Fast movement instead of Spell progression.
And two fighter feats instead of Spell penetration/GSP.

I cannot argue against that!

Re: Dragonslayer - a non caster buff...
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:08 pm
by metaquad4
Dragonslayer could be re-designed and separated out in a similar fashion to how elite commando is.
Spell-Casting Dragon Slayer (could create separate for arcane and divine, if someone has ideas for that) - Stays the same
Martial Dragon Slayer:
--Change spell penetration to 1d2 elemental damage 1/day for 1 hour per dragon slayer level (can choose from any element).
--Change greater spell penetration to 1d6 elemental damage 2/day for 1 hour per dragon slayer level (can choose from any element).
The idea with these is that the martial dragon slayer will anoint their weapons with an alchemical mixture and know enough about their chosen dragon to use the element they are weakest against. Of course, like spell-penetration (which is probably signifying the ability to deal with a dragon's natural resistance to magic), it has applications against other monsters.
--Instead of spell progression, it gets +Dragon Slayer Level in AB vs Dragons (as well as damage) OR 3 bonus feats. 1 at 3, 1 at 6, and 1 at 9. Either works, the AB is more thematic.
Re: Dragonslayer - a non caster buff...
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:57 pm
by Sun Wukong
If Dragonlslayers get elemental damage, why would anyone go for the Dragon Warrior?