I do not want to come back.
I have already told Endy I will not be returning here, ever again from this point on -- and may (very very rarely) log into Manah to say Hello, but even that is unlikely at this point.
You can all draw your own views.
This was the email sent to me for those who want to review it
DM Ditto wrote:DM Lobo,
This message is to inform you that you have been removed from the DM Team, effective the moment this message reaches you.
When you were reinstated, we handed out a probation and the three terms you are required to abide by, on top of the Code of Conduct:
You have eventually broken all of these terms at one point or another over the period of time from your reinstatement leading to today, as well as broken rules of the Code of Conduct and generated multiple complaints during your tenure. While it is a difficult message for you to receive, and a difficult message for us to send, these factors have left us with no choice but to remove you once again.- Run all event concepts by us first.
- Make a write-up of all of your events. The Code says you don't have to do it for tiny events, but for the time being with your probation we want you to write up everything that you run.
- Keep your events small. By "small" I mean have a limit on scope and player participants. I'd suggest 5-6 players at most.
Below is a breakdown of events:
You were reinstated at February 25, 2017.
At March 11, we received the first complaint against you. You were implying to players to decide among themselves who should leave when the participants exceeded their limit, and you were not responding to /tells. I talked with you over it and told you to take charge and refuse excess participants as that was your responsibility as a DM, and to indicate when you are busy, or to lower the participant number even below the limit if responsiveness is an issue.
Then March 12, barely one day after, we received another complaint that you were "outing" a character/infiltrator in front of the guild seemingly without any context preceding it.
At March 21, the person who sent the complaint at March 11 followed up with another complaint that you were continuing to levy the responsibility of limiting player count to the players themselves, continued to have difficulty responding to /tells and did not give EXP, and publicly aired DMside issues in front of the players by saying that the Head DMs were "punishing" you. The last part is the most egregious as it is considered a violation of the Code of Conduct, and particularly disappointing because it displayed the manner of behavior that eventually led to your removal the first time around.
At April 2, both Dialectic and I provided feedback on your behavior on request, shown in the spoiler tag:April 4, we received a report that you had given a ring with +1 regeneration as a reward. This is considered a very powerful item and you did not receive HDM permission prior to giving it.Hidden: show
April 6, a complaint came up that you pushed an event with many players on an associate DM. Not only is this considered a breach of probation (as you are restricted to small events in both scale and participants, and the fact that you had to move it to an ADM suggests no full DM was supervising you at the time), this is not a fair action to do on the ADM as they are learning to DM, themselves, and may not be experienced with handling mass events.
Then at April 10, we received two complaints from different people. The first one raised issues about favoritism as it seemed you have been focusing your events on a select few people as of late. The second one reported that your events have been creating server instability due to the size and scope of it, and also raised concern over favoritism due to your aforementioned focusing events on a few people.
At April 14, we received a complaint over your new plot regarding the scope of the event and lore implications. On top of not consulting the team whether it would be lore-appropriate to begin with, the scope of the event is in violation of the terms of your probation requiring you to keep your events small.
At April 17, we received another complaint over the scope of your events, in this case the one involving a "Prince of Chaos" (regardless whether it is canonical or not, it is a figure major enough to warrant feedback before using, especially as an ADM). You only retconned it to a lesser demon when I called you out on it in the DM Skype chat, and you finally asked for feedback regarding a unicorn NPC two weeks after you have already been using it.
In the span of two months you have generated eight separate complaints from players and DMs alike. Nine if we count the same person submitting two complaints as separate instances.
You have not adhered to any of the terms of your probation despite the terms being plainly written out at the very start of your reinstatement, and that the HDMs were available to ask if there was anything that required clarification. Ignorance, or thinking that it is not a "big deal", are not valid excuses to break the terms of your probation or the Code of Conduct, or to make your own selective interpretations over the terms.
You had the resources to seek help and clarification when needed, and we gave you this second chance in the hope that you will learn to temper yourself and learn from what you did wrong the first time, work as a member of a team, and become the DM in BG that you can be. However, you chose not to utilize the resources available to you and instead resumed the pattern of behavior that led to your removal the first time around.
In the end, we have made the collective decision to end your term as a DM on BGTSCC. Despite everything, we sincerely thank you for choosing to volunteer your time and wish you the best in your future endeavors.
Best,
Ditto
And this is what I sent them
Hello admin team,
Being a bit hot headed the last time around (Edit: being a hot head I was talking about last year), I would like to believe I am a tad wiser and more mature this time around.
The last time I requested an appeal I was upset and confused, and as a result lashed out at you guys which is something I want to apologies for first and foremost. This was something I wanted to do with Endy on Skype when she joined DM chat but didn't - because - I wanted to move forward and forget everything, though I confess this was selfish I did not want to remember the chaos from last year, as I said in my app I wanted a fresh start. Once all this is over I will be approching Endy and Maecius and fully apologies, regardless of the outcome of this.
Following this formal email I am requesting a private Skype chat with the admin team with several key members who have a part in many of these complaints listed below; these people are: *****
They will be providing evidence, logs, emails and statements (if needed)
Although I did not come back onto the team perfect, I did try very hard to address all the concerns (even if I did not agree with some of them); I did take on the feedback from Maecus last year which resulted in my monthly meetings idea and my feedback thread idea. I wrote up every plot idea, even small and silly ones (as told to do so by ****) I went further and created a plot thread for DMs to look through my plots. I openly spoke about my concerns with lore and problems with the DM team, and always brought up my ideas and plots with the DM team either through Skype, game, or the forums.
I also worked hard to be part of the team, being in constant chat with other DMs and getting involved with other plots and helping the CCs with ideas. As my posts will reflect and as the team will confirm. I took what was said pretty seriously and was always open about my new ideas and plans, as was laid out in my terms.
I confess some points **** made in her email have merit -- but I do not believe many of these points hold ground. If this ban is lifted I wish to point out that I will be putting in a new term of my own:
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I will no longer be hosting events as an ADM and instead opt as a supportive role with the CCs and main DMs in their plots supplying feedback, ideas and support as needed. I will only log in outside of these terms to supply player support outside of events
This is my idea, and my term -- something I would like the HDM team to enforce as their own rule if my ban is lifted. I want to progress and develop, and because I am here typing this now I fear the above is the only way to do it.
I am too addicted to DMing. My login times will show I am (as I was last year) the most active and most colourful DM on the team - I believe this opens up the possibility to be a bigger target than someone who logs in once a week, that is why i think it is really important to see the difference between a 'complaint' and a 'concern' or even a 'question' and not brush them all under the same tree, and make this a numbers game. A few things I do want to point out before I start.
- Adms were not aware they had a "7" player limit - no email was sent to confirm it the. Main DMs were not aware of it until I brought it up to which they assumed it was only for DM Lobo. I have spoken (and have statments) of several Staff members of BG who can back up this claim.
- It was well documented by the DM team that ADMs were breaking this new 7 player limit rule, as well as the 'not logging in unsupervised rule' no action or warning was taken by the HDM team. Even though **** made it clear this was for the ADM team as well - no clear message or email was sent. Very few were aware of this rule believing it was for me only. DM **** confirmed a 2 week supervision program first before logging in; but no email was given to enforce this. This point is valid as a claim below states I was breaking the 'NO DM supervison rule' -- when the whole team was doing the same thing.
- Following my Terms **** changed the goal posts and allowed me to host for over 7 assuming a full DM was present. Again, this change was not emailed or made clear and made the whole thing more confusing for the entire DM team, where I had to clear it up with those who logged in.
- Full Dms did not enforce or take the supervision rule seriously. Most were unaware of its terms - They would ignore our DM chat request (if asked, though not always - depending on how busy they were) and go AFK without warning (again, but not always) or notice, in some cases log out while I was in middle of event.
- No enforcement was taken for ADMs logging into the server without full DMs to supervise; Full DMs were *not* made aware of this rule, and I had to point it out several times to the DM team. **** also failed to investigate or enforce this rule. No notice was given to the DM team.
The argument here is why didn't I come to you sooner? To which I say - why was this list allowed to grow so large without my consent? I arranged monthly meetings for this very reason, for feedback and to show cooperation with the HDMs. This was my idea, and I made the effort to push them forward, due to the work load of the HDM team it was agreed they would be monthly. It was unfair this content (minus the first point) was not brought to me early, and heart breaking I had to ask for it manually.
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At March 11, we received the first complaint against you. You were implying to players to decide among themselves who should leave when the participants exceeded their limit, and you were not responding to /tells. I talked with you over it and told you to take charge and refuse excess participants as that was your responsibility as a DM, and to indicate when you are busy, or to lower the participant number even below the limit if responsiveness is an issue.
Although I consider this to be an important problem – I have not actively broken any rules or the DM code. In regards to ignoring tells, 'ignoring' is used out of context as for the first few weeks my DM cilent was very buggy and laggy (with several crashes which I can confirm via logs and player statments). Ignoring tells is a big issue, but missing tells I feel is not. I have statments from Dms who do ignore player tells however. It is important to note I did make an effort with players who did PM me (considering the instability). Lisa was in both events of the person who put in this complaint and she feels it was a better system for the players (overall) to agree who stays and goes – and it worked, having one or two people complain, I feel does not merit this a valid point if the remaining 7 were content, as well as most of those who were dismissed. If need be, I am willing to pull up all the players involved in this event for their view. Furthermore this was not touched upon by **** in the chat, no terms were laid out for this, and I feel it is unfair to pin this as a black mark on my name.
Then March 12, barely one day after, we received another complaint that you were "outing" a character/infiltrator in front of the guild seemingly without any context preceding it.
I would like more details on this, if possible.
Edit: This issue was related to an alignment reveal from one of my NPCs which upset a player. I did not give out player plans or goals (I didn't even know there was any) however said player was encouraged to complain (I have a witness) no RP was spoiled because of this.
At March 21, the person who sent the complaint at March 11 followed up with another complaint that you were continuing to levy the responsibility of limiting player count to the players themselves, continued to have difficulty responding to /tells and did not give EXP, and publicly aired DMside issues in front of the players by saying that the Head DMs were "punishing" you. The last part is the most egregious as it is considered a violation of the Code of Conduct, and particularly disappointing because it displayed the manner of behavior that eventually led to your removal the first time around.
Again, this has not broken any terms, rules or plans put down – and as above do not think this is a fair argument to be merited as a complaint but as a concern. Forgetting exp, again is a concern and do not feel it merits as a overal violation of any terms. EXP was always promptly awarded once it was brought to my attention a player was left out. It is important to point out that the players (overall) were very happy - otherwise I would expect many more complaints, this is also being unfair due to how unstable the server was back then (it crashed a lot) combined with my cilent crashing.
I do however take resonsibilty for explaining it was the HDMs who put the 7 player limit on me; though this was something I brushed up on in Skype – where it seemed **** was OK with me explaining this fact. This does not excuse the fact I broke the DM code of conduct, I said it was the HDMs who put this limit on me, and that should not have been said -- for that I do applogies, and this is a merited point.
April 4, we received a report that you had given a ring with +1 regeneration as a reward. This is considered a very powerful item and you did not receive HDM permission prior to giving it.
A +1 regen ring, was handed out by mistake - my cilent was unstable and laggy (have reports and logs to prove this claim) when giving out DM rewards, the ring had vanished from the 'box' and I was unaware of its properties or even that it was missing. No player pointed this out to me, and I was not made aware of the issue. Concerns from the DM team show the DM Creater is a mess and it is very easy to spawn in; incorrect NPCs (level) and items.
No offical notice was given to the HDM team as this was not intended to be done, and not something I was aware of. Thus I believe it is unfair to pin this on me as a 'complaint' without a follow up of my version of events.
April 6, a complaint came up that you pushed an event with many players on an associate DM. Not only is this considered a breach of probation (as you are restricted to small events in both scale and participants, and the fact that you had to move it to an ADM suggests no full DM was supervising you at the time), this is not a fair action to do on the ADM as they are learning to DM, themselves, and may not be experienced with handling mass events.
Again, taken out of context -- and refers to my bullet point above; If you would have spoken with either me (Lobo) or **** (the ADM involved, which you didn't) you would have got the other end of the story. I have a full statment from DM Wisp proving this event was not 'forced' on him, furthermore 6 players were present at the time, but I can confirm it grew due to the 'shout' (again this is all documented) which attracted people to 'wonder' thus the number grew -- I did not host for over 7, nor did I force this event on Wisp, nor was it an epic event, refer to my write up page for details on what happend.
Then at April 10, we received two complaints from different people. The first one raised issues about favoritism as it seemed you have been focusing your events on a select few people as of late. The second one reported that your events have been creating server instability due to the size and scope of it, and also raised concern over favoritism due to your aforementioned focusing events on a few people.
I made it clear that I was focusing on guilds, and part of that ideology is having repeat players. Refer to my logs to confirm my claims (and the players involved) I hosted for two guilds offically; CandleKeep, then I moved to The Elder Circle. I have multiple statments from players involved in my events that I do not show favortisum - I never hosted for *my* guild, or anyone in it. It is true however that the theme of my events did focus on one guild or two guilds at a time; thus some groups of people were often making repeat apprances; however once the plot concluded with said guild I moved onto a fresh set of players.This claim can appear to have merit via numbers aka 15 events for x players and 15 for x others - however in reailty all players get the same amount of 'Lobo time' and not one or any other player gets special treatment. I can back up this claim also with full log files and player statments. Brushing this as a favortisum claim makes as much sense as me accusing DM Flasmix of hosting for only 9 people for the weekly UD events.
I have always been skittish about this issue, and am upset you did not consult me about it first -- I even asked if It was OK to host for the Elder Circle BEFORE taking it on, due to the conections Bembel has with Terri (I have no IC relationship with that guild either) All players had a equal chance, and equal time. Once the plot concluded, I moved on.
At April 14, we received a complaint over your new plot regarding the scope of the event and lore implications. On top of not consulting the team whether it would be lore-appropriate to begin with, the scope of the event is in violation of the terms of your probation requiring you to keep your events small.
I kept my events 'small' and never broke the 7 player limit (unless given permission to do so) It was made clear as long as the scale and size of the event is kept under 7 and did not become global (unless DM permission was given, which it was in regard to my metaplot with Riddle, however I still did not break the 7 rule) I was allowed to host it, I followed both terms. I never went over 7 players -- even for events that should really have been (aka the island attack)
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The plot was on my plotline thread for weeks – and it was brushed up with the CC team first before I began posting drafts – which were on my threads for review for weeks before it went live.
The whole event was brushed up with the CCs (as it was a metaplot event for the surface) and was OKed and approved -- furthermore it was all written up on my plot thread for review several weeks before hosting it. No red flags were set off and I was under no intention this was a problem.At April 17, we received another complaint over the scope of your events, in this case the one involving a "Prince of Chaos" (regardless whether it is canonical or not, it is a figure major enough to warrant feedback before using, especially as an ADM). You only retconned it to a lesser demon when I called you out on it in the DM Skype chat, and you finally asked for feedback regarding a unicorn NPC two weeks after you have already been using it.
Bottom line is this; I tried - I tried very hard and am willing to work with everyone on the team. I hosted over 40 events and 2 big events (with permission) for the CCs, and the UD. I worked up a draft with DM Flasmix for the UD weekly plots and stayed in close contact with him regarding the storyline / outcome.
I agree, I had one or two missteps here, and I fully acknowledge them. I do not think it is fair to wrap all these things up and package them as they have been here. I really do want to work with the DM team and be part of the Team. And if it will ease the concern I will opt to stop hosting altogether and focus on supporting the main DMs (as I said above)
I showed willingness to learn (though I did show residence to the 7 rule, I still obeyed it) being an ADM, I was hoping some form of leeway would be given considering I am an ADM, not a full DM. I agree some of these things (though I do not consider them serious enough to warrant this action) are valid -- and could have been addressed if I was made aware sooner.
I would like to take onboard the email **** said and start fresh with her and ****. I am willing to put forward ideas to help make their job easier as well as mine.
Thank you for your time admin team, I look forward to hearing your thoughts on this,
,DM Lobo