Wizard Spell Questions! (There are two)

[Babuguuscooties]

I'm playing a Transmutation specialist DC wizard, and just hit level 15 today. When looking through the list of available spells I noticed some server (or possibly Kaedrin) specific ones, and one in particular was Whirlpool. It's a transmutation spell, so presumably the fort save DC would be good on my wizard (eventually). It has a knockdown effect that might be good vs sneaks since its AoE, and maybe even enemy mages. It also makes the enemy vulnerable to lightning so maybe doing a hotbar macro to cast whirlpool and then a quickened scintillating sphere or something could be a cool combo? Anyway, im just curious as to whether or not this spell is even worth using.


Also, I noticed Greater Bestow Curse is also Transmutation. Is it worth using? This one I guess would be particularly useful against bosses and in PVP if its useful at all.

[Tsidkenu]

Greater Bestow Curse is a good spell to use on bosses if they don't have stupidly bloated will saves to resist it that is. Equates to -3 AB/Damage, -3 all saving throws, -3 AC and - HD x3 hitpoints.

It works well on PCs for the same reason, except they have to go and get a cleric/mage (or server reset) to get rid of it because resting does not break a curse, only the Remove Curse spell does. Greater Bestow Curse + Quickened Ray of Enfeeblement will cripple any str based class (-12 to -17 Str for those two spells combined), perfect for a Bigby 6 follow up.

Whirlpool is reasonable; I've not used it much but the knockdown effect is situationally great and sometimes it will summon a water elemental or two out for you for a few minutes or so.

[Babuguuscooties]

Thanks for the swift reply All these new spells seem interesting, but the last thing I wanna do is waste a spell on them and lose out because of it.

[Tsidkenu]

[Edit] Looks like Greater Bestow Curse can't be scribed at the moment. Apparently Whirlpool can, though.

[Babuguuscooties]

Oh awesome. I didn't know I could get scrolls from Clerics if we share the same spells. So do clerics also get whirlpool? I think its description mentions it as a cleric and druid spell.


EDIT: Just saw your edit lol. You answered my question. Too bad about Greater Bestow Curse.

[Tsidkenu]

Yes, its Cleric 8th. A 15th level or higher cleric with scribe scroll can make it, and so can Sirion Ted'wa of Phoenix Company fame.

[Babuguuscooties]

sweet, appreciate it.

[Hawke]

Bestow Curse and Greater Bestow Curse are Necromancy... not transmutation.

[Babuguuscooties]

Bestow Curse and Greater Bestow Curse are Necromancy... not transmutation.

I thought so too until I saw them in-game.

[Aspect of Sorrow]

Bestow Curse and Greater Bestow Curse are Necromancy... not transmutation.

It was changed last year.

[Tsidkenu]

Bestow Curse is Necromancy. Greater Bestow curse is Transmutation. I have the logs to prove both.

[Pimple]

[Edit] Looks like Greater Bestow Curse can't be scribed at the moment. Apparently Whirlpool can, though.

Maybe it changed in the meantime, but I just scribed it and it worked fine. My prohibition school's necromancy btw.

[Hawke]

Bestow Curse is Necromancy. Greater Bestow curse is Transmutation. I have the logs to prove both.

I get it... but I'm telling you, try to cast them with necromancy as a prohibited school.

It just seems to frustrate you as the forbidden spell escapes you.


Or at least those are the messages I received when trying to scribe the spells.

[Pimple]

Maybe it changed in the meantime, but I just scribed it and it worked fine. My prohibition school's necromancy btw.

Added the last bit to my reply before you posted but ah... let me just repeat that

[Rinzler]

So as someone with ESF Necromancy it's better to cast Bestow Curse, rather than GBC?