09/26/2020 - General Server Meeting Transcript (No. 1) (Public Access) - Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

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09/26/2020 - General Server Meeting Transcript (No. 1) (Public Access)

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Unread post by DM Boo » Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:21 am

This is a log for the impromptu general meeting which was held on the 09/26/2020 between players and HDM Boo. This was the first meeting of it's kind. Other meetings may be held in the future if there is a sustained interest in them. Thank you to all the players and to DM SummerBreeze who attended!

Since this is the first transcript, I'll leave the emotes in so that everybody can understand the format we are using. In the future, these will be removed. I'll try to cut down on the superfluous parts as much as possible. Tips on how to format this are welcome.

Comments are allowed, but please keep them on-topic, or create a seperate thread to discuss a topic more in-depth. They will be removed otherwise.

Update: Here is the easier to read, pretty version, courtesy of SpookySkeleton (Shout out to Spooky for making it!):

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Unread post by SpookySkeleton » Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:45 am

First off, thanks DM Boo for holding this, it was interesting getting opinions from people in this format!

I had to leave before the server reset, so just my two cents on the death conversation. I think its an interesting idea to scale up death penalties after lvl 10 a little more and to look into nerfing resurrection methods to increase RP more. But as others said not everyone would agree with such a change! I believe this topic would need to be discussed a lot more.

However, having some sort of general ruling for event deaths could be beneficial and would not effect people on such a wide scale. Perhaps a rule like if you die in the event you have to leave the event alone for either that night or perhaps the rest of the event chain! Maybe only the latter on DM discretion for major players in said event chains.

In my experience, players have greatly respected the "24 hour rule" of PVP to leave each other alone. I don't think enforcing something similar for events would pose much of an issue.

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Unread post by Shadowspinner70 » Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:31 pm

Love, love, LOVE this! Did I mention how much I love that this happened?

Of the death ideas, my favorite is the status effect of lower STR and CON or token that lasts until reset (or maybe Greater Restoration/Restoration? Though a Lesser Restoration pot usually takes care of stat issues . . . ). For Spooky, I might contest this:

SpookySkeleton wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:45 am However, having some sort of general ruling for event deaths could be beneficial and would not effect people on such a wide scale. Perhaps a rule like if you die in the event you have to leave the event alone for either that night or perhaps the rest of the event chain! Maybe only the latter on DM discretion for major players in said event chains.

Some PCs want vengeance or to finish what they started, and if it's an injury, said injury isn't really . . . stopping them from doing other things. Absolutely not for the rest of the event chain, imo, but for the night? It depends on how it's handled!

And, DM Boo, control + f may be your best friend here! Use it to search for tells, colored text, asterisks, really anything to cut down on anything superfluous. Unless there's another method, that's really the best and fastest method I can think of, and then you give it a lookover and delete anything you missed. Just banter, though, I don't think there's a surefire way to detect it without combing through yourself.

I'm also incredibly thankful that the UD was mentioned here. I do remember situations where there would be a DM event and UD characters would come back, players would be extremely excited, and even just a DM popping in to mess with us? A ton of fun. I think that on the server in general, unless I'm wrong, is the prevailing sense that a DM needs to be there to accomplish anything, and accomplishments were touched upon.

I'm gonna step away from making this more deep and say once again that this is fantastic. There are several hot-button topics for the BG community, some more pressing for communities within this one than others. With these meetings, honest conversations can be had that some people might feel are safer than on the forums, or more conversations can be sparked here!

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Unread post by Hoihe » Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:48 pm

SpookySkeleton wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:45 am First off, thanks DM Boo for holding this, it was interesting getting opinions from people in this format!

I had to leave before the server reset, so just my two cents on the death conversation. I think its an interesting idea to scale up death penalties after lvl 10 a little more and to look into nerfing resurrection methods to increase RP more. But as others said not everyone would agree with such a change! I believe this topic would need to be discussed a lot more.

However, having some sort of general ruling for event deaths could be beneficial and would not effect people on such a wide scale. Perhaps a rule like if you die in the event you have to leave the event alone for either that night or perhaps the rest of the event chain! Maybe only the latter on DM discretion for major players in said event chains.

In my experience, players have greatly respected the "24 hour rule" of PVP to leave each other alone. I don't think enforcing something similar for events would pose much of an issue.

(true) Resurrection, Regenerate, Gr. Restoration,Remove Curse, Remove Disease, Remove Poison, Heal exist. And unlike for commoners, easily accessible to experienced adventurers.

Longest such should affect a player should be the event itself, and no longer.

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Unread post by SpookySkeleton » Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:24 pm

Shadowspinner70 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:31 pm Some PCs want vengeance or to finish what they started, and if it's an injury, said injury isn't really . . . stopping them from doing other things. Absolutely not for the rest of the event chain, imo, but for the night? It depends on how it's handled!

Maybe if both rez magic became less common and they were only banned from the event for the night if they were not raised by a cleric ( instead brought to the temple) it could make for an improvement? that way people dont have to just get raised on the spot then turn tail and run and at the same time putting value on those who can rez.

A side note, regarding the editing, a script could probably clean up some of the trash like emote tags and turn them into a readable format for the forum with colors and stuff. If you are interested I could do this pretty easily, let me know.

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Unread post by DaloLorn » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:17 am

Regarding deaths... I find it's a mixed bag. Sometimes, the death is stupid and would never have happened in PnP (or even a better-designed D&D game). Other times, it is treated far too cheaply, as people were saying in the transcript.

Mechanical quirks and anomalies should not be punishable, IMO, but I wouldn't be opposed to harsher penalties for those deaths that actually are the player's (or character's) fault. (I'm also glad that corpses no longer vanish on reset... it allows me to RP my solo deaths occasionally. Now if only I could easily tell people how to reach me if I weren't logged into the dead PC...)

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Unread post by Tanlaus » Tue Sep 29, 2020 4:15 pm

This was a great read. Been meaning to throw my two cents in but laziness has so far prevented it. I was actually online during that meeting but was showing a new player around the UD and didn’t want to bail on them. Retention down there is hard enough as is

Anyway, hopefully I can make the next.

My thoughts...

I love the ‘event DM’ or whatever it was called, suggestion. Some of my most entertaining memories was when AllFather just started DMing and he’d randomly pop in to throw extra enemies at at my friends and I. Suddenly the environment we were in was brought to life and really heightened the experience. Didn’t really have to be much, just a fly by encounter. Those kind of things I think can benefit the server while being a minimum time and resource investment.

Death... the consequences of death are kind of a mixed bag to me. On the one hand, I really feel like adding something like a stat penalty until server reset would be a great not permanent way to up the stakes a bit. In the other, I’ve probably died three times in the last few weeks by crashing mid fight while soloing. Doesn’t really effect me because I’m already 30 but I can see how it could put a damper on someone’s play time, especially if they’re not 30 and can’t find a group.

As far as UD surface interactions, my little blue fellow is in and around Soubar (and other unmentioned places) plotting all kinds of nefarious Bregan activity. I’m really not seeing any OOC pushback. Someone has been leaving traps and notes in the ogre cave and I love it. I also OOC know someone has been following me invisibly because of the way enchantments chime when you enter a new zone, but I avoid reacting. So far the IC conflict has been fun, hasn’t devolved into grieving, and seems lore appropriate.

As far as the UD seeing more love, very much looking forwards to what SummerBreeze has in mind. Occasional flybys would also help. But- and I’ve said this before- some of the blame really is shouldered by the player base as well. UDers tend to keep their area locations (or even all of their information) hidden in the scry. For other players logging in looking for someone to play with, they’re not going to bother if they don’t see anybody. And I think the same is true for DMs as well. I know we’ve all got our secret, invidious plots going but I think it would benefit the community as a whole for others to know there are people to play with down there.