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Abjuration Focus Line
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:44 am
by TheKai
Hey all,
Since Evocation, Necromancy, Transmutation, and Conjuration had some tweaks to their usefulness, I'd like to recommend something for Abjurers (although I think Illusionists, Enchanters and Diviners really need some love too).
The recommendation is to further tie abjuration to protection, specifically from magic. So if someone takes SF: Abj they also get Improved Counterspelling Bonus feat. GSF: Abj also gives Reactive Counterspelling feat and ESF: Abj gives Epic Counterspelling. This seems fun. People can already counterspell bosses, this just gives abjurers and added benefit.
Re: Abjuration Focus Line
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:12 am
by EasternCheesE
Thanks for suggestion, it's in the list of our discussed topics for quite a while, so we will add something eventually
Re: Abjuration Focus Line
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:02 am
by Lockonnow
skills in conc and DC vs will save will kill the shapeshifts
Re: Abjuration Focus Line
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:06 am
by EasternCheesE
How is shapeshifting related to concentration checks and DC? The only thing they should be afraid of is true form spell, don't they?
Re: Abjuration Focus Line
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:00 pm
by TheKai
EasternCheesE wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:06 am
How is shapeshifting related to concentration checks and DC? The only thing they should be afraid of is true form spell, don't they?
Which their will save will probably save them anyhow lol
Re: Abjuration Focus Line
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 4:26 am
by EasternCheesE
Well, i solved the riddle. True form is abjuration spell. But still, adding counterspell feats as bonus to abjuration focus doesn't change anything, people will still get their 3 DC with ESF:Abjuration whether is is added or not.
Re: Abjuration Focus Line
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:20 pm
by Louvaine
Sounds like it would make abjuration pretty good. Exciting!
Re: Abjuration Focus Line
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 4:20 pm
by Habitu
TheKai wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:44 am
Hey all,
Since Evocation, Necromancy, Transmutation, and Conjuration had some tweaks to their usefulness, I'd like to recommend something for Abjurers (although I think Illusionists, Enchanters and Diviners really need some love too).
The recommendation is to further tie abjuration to protection, specifically from magic. So if someone takes SF: Abj they also get Improved Counterspelling Bonus feat. GSF: Abj also gives Reactive Counterspelling feat and ESF: Abj gives Epic Counterspelling. This seems fun. People can already counterspell bosses, this just gives abjurers and added benefit.
Not to go off topic but is counterspelling fixed?
Re: Abjuration Focus Line
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 4:23 pm
by EasternCheesE
Yeah, it works. Not for warlocks, but testing with wizzy and sorc, it worked fine
Re: Abjuration Focus Line
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 4:36 pm
by Habitu
EasternCheesE wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 4:23 pm
Yeah, it works. Not for warlocks, but testing with wizzy and sorc, it worked fine
Re: Abjuration Focus Line
Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:10 pm
by ValerieJean
EasternCheesE wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:12 am
Thanks for suggestion, it's in the list of our discussed topics for quite a while, so we will add something eventually
Sorry I was recently looking into Counterspelling and was curious if that suggestion had gotten any further along?
Re: Abjuration Focus Line
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:05 am
by EasternCheesE
Hey there. Sadly, no, no progress yet.
Re: Abjuration Focus Line
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:33 am
by Lockonnow
new spells have been add so stop asking for more
Re: Abjuration Focus Line
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:29 am
by ValerieJean
EasternCheesE wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:05 am
Hey there. Sadly, no, no progress yet.
Np thanks!
Lockonnow wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:33 am
new spells have been add so stop asking for more
Nothing would be added as both are accessible, it was just attaching one line to the Abjurative focus as it does make sense since Abjuration is beating magic with magic.
Re: Abjuration Focus Line
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:59 am
by DaloLorn
Lockonnow wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:33 am
new spells have been add so stop asking for more
Not the best attitude even at the best of times, but for some context:
- AFAIK, nearly none of the new spells were Abjuration. Maybe one or two, usually flat-out inferior to existing counterparts (like the non-breaching Disjunction variant Rhifox added to some domains).
- Several other focus trees have had tangential benefits added to them. Evocation got Reignite Evocation (3 spell levels per feat, like an Auto-Still/Auto-Silent feat), Transmutation got +1 AC in Polymorph/Shapechange (per feat), and Conjuration/Necromancy got +1 HD to the summons from their respective schools (also per feat).
In that context, your retort goes from needlessly hostile to outright foolish, since abjurers
didn't get a lot of new stuff to begin with, except as a tangent on other people getting stuff.