Northlander Hewing Critical Strike Damage Calculation

[The Whistler]

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Something's off with critical strike damage calculation. My character deals 55~ on a regular hit but only crits for low 220's with a x5 modifier weapon -with- overwhelming critical. The arithmetic isn't adding up.

I noticed the missing damage equals to roughly about NH damage. Can someone check if IPA and NH are multiplying correctly ? Thanks.

EDIT: After testing I think I can safely say I've narrowed down the culprit to NH. It doesn't multiply on crit, even though it works normally on both live and module JEGs. Nor is it stated anywhere in the feat description that it does not. What gives ?

[mrm3ntalist]

The damage from NH never multiplied on crits. I made a post in the QC forums back in the day, about for what reason the physical damage from NH does not multiply on crits and the dev of the feat responded that it was intentional but no explanation was given...

[ZabelSword]

Good to know... that information should really be put in the feat description.

[The Whistler]

Rhifox suggested this might be responsible and I'm inclined to agree after some testing of my own (NH and PA crit normally, individually). It particularly affects the x3 or x4 weapon focused WMs and needs to be either advertised better, or the PA feat needs to be reverted back to its pre-ToT functionality.

[Rhifox]

Dae should be able to remove the damage cap, just taking some time. I believe he's found the thing to change for it.

[The Whistler]

Can confirm that this has been fixed as of today's patch.

[Ewe]

iirc there's a hardcoded engine "feature" which makes it so only slashing and piercing "bonus sheet damage" can crit.

Bludgeoning cannot crit.

Formerly, I think NH was always granted as a bludgeon bonus, and I think now it is based on the weapon type you are holding?

Bludgeon can still not crit (most bonus physical from feats was always granted as bludgeoning).

All magical can crit.

Further, bludgeoning respects damage immunity/resistance but slashing and piercing both ignore it.

In short, this game has a lot of weird bugs.

I'm not sure if the intricacies of these combat bugs with the effects engine were well known or not. Even the nwn2 wiki lists it wrong:

https://nwn2.fandom.com/wiki/EffectDamageIncrease

The second two rows should be yes for crit.


Anyways, when the engine tallies your bonus damage from your effects list it has a hardcap at 100 (per damage type). I've made an engine level tweak to jump over that check.

[Rhifox]

iirc there's a hardcoded engine "feature" which makes it so only slashing and piercing "bonus sheet damage" can crit.

Bludgeoning cannot crit.

Formerly, I think NH was always granted as a bludgeon bonus, and I think now it is based on the weapon type you are holding?

NH is still bludgeoning, while the new Power Attack is based on what kind of weapon you're using.

[The Whistler]

There is noticeable dropoff in my crit damage when NH is turned off that corresponds to the sum of the multiplication of NH times crit multiplier so I don't know if that's necessarily true.

[Ewe]

According to the script Northlander Hewing damage is bludgeoning type. Bludgeoning effect increase damage does not crit per engine bug.

[mrm3ntalist]

According to the script Northlander Hewing damage is bludgeoning type. Bludgeoning effect increase damage does not crit per engine bug.

Where do you guys come up with those things?

MAx Damage = 13 + 8MAX(1d8) + 2 = 23 Max crit is 46

On the SS the char critted for 56 so unless something magical happens ( ) the extra damage from NH does crit.
Whistler is a veteran player so i trust he can tell when it does or does not



If I remember correctly ONLY the BASE damage from bludgeoning weapons does not crit

Carry on

[Ewe]

In the same thread above you said NH does not crit and never did...

What you posted doesn't have enough information on its own to confirm what is going on here if anything.

[izzul]

i think it works for me. i use a partial/hybrid damage dealer.

without NH = 155 max damage
with NH = 195 max damage


another PC hybrid damage dealer too with NH

without NH = 210 max damage
with NH = 260 max damage

for both, i never go full damage dealer because its a super glass cannon one trick pony that goes to 300-400 damage

[mrm3ntalist]

In the same thread above you said NH does not crit and never did...

NH did not crit in the past. I mentioned to valefort when NH was first implemented, he said it was by design. Something changed, i think when NH was limited to 10 and half for shaping and now works on crits.

What you posted doesn't have enough information on its own to confirm what is going on here if anything.

I dont know what to tell you. Look closer maybe? Unless it is impossible for you to admit that you are wrong. I mean what else do you need to see that if NH wasnt criting, then the damage on crits would not have above 46. Its well above it so it crits

Simple math

[Ewe]

I think there’s not enough information to explain the root cause exactly and may be caused by something else. I’m merely trying to help. I don’t deserve the snippy attitude.