AB is missing from Druid Dragon Shape

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AB is missing from Druid Dragon Shape

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I originally sent this to the dev team, but someone on the discord server said it is better to post the issue here

I noticed that my Attack Bonus seemed a bit low when using Dragon Shape so I ran a few tests with it and have figured out that two sources of AB seem to not be factoring in properly for this shape.
1. Greater Magic Fang is only adding +4AB rather than the full +5 that it should be (testing this on normal wild shapes found that the +5 IS working properly there).
2. The +1 AB for size is also not appearing for dragon shape.

At level 30 with medium BAB, my base AB is 22
Dragon strength at 37, with a +3 str ring, gives 40 strength, and therefore an additional +15AB
Upon casting Greater Magic Fang, this total gets another +4

The end result is 41AB when GMF is applied, rather then the 43AB that should be showing if GMF was working properly and the +1 size bonus was in effect.

Just in case this was a matter that simply showed up wrong on the character sheet, but still gave the proper AB in combat, I went to go test that value. Attacking an orc in the cloakwood confirmed that the AB is only 41:
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Re: AB is missing from Druid Dragon Shape

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On Discord, it was pointed out that:
Large Creatures

Large races suffer a -1 size penalty to attacks and Armor Class. They gain a +4 bonus to knockdown checks, and unarmed damage (monk) is increased. (Note that Large creatures are supposed to receive a -4 penalty to Hide checks, but this is bugged and the penalty is set to 0).
So actually, it might be a typo on the wiki that Dragon Shape gets plus one, but actually MINUS one!!

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Re: AB is missing from Druid Dragon Shape

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Also , if I'm remembering correctly , dragon shape starts with a +1 magic weapon bonus , so casting a +5 GMF should give +4 change on the stat sheet .
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Re: AB is missing from Druid Dragon Shape

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OH, okay, well, that makes sense on both counts. Thanks for the clarification. That actually makes sense, as it explains the extra +1 that appears in the base damage AND explains why the -1 AB from size doesn't seem to show when shifting up into the form. That extra +1 EB is already negating it, but won't stack with GMF.
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