Looking over an edge

[Thorsson]

At level 1 Elminster was just as vulnerable to a stray crossbow bolt as he is at level 30+. Just because our game mechanics don't allow for this sort of thing does not mean we cannot RP it.

But it doesn't mean that we have to RP it either. Personally I think that RPing that a stray crossbow bolt can kill you, when it's not mechanically possible, is almost against the spirit of "play your character sheet". We are not in RL and you cannot always rely on your reactions IRL to advise you on your reactions IC; after all, you are supposed to be playing a role, not yourself in a game. If I wanted to play Elminster as a nervous hypochondriac, then I might be afraid of a stray crossbow bolt, but not otherwise.

[NegInfinity]

What I don't know what to deal with is the people that call me a "Troll, Pvp Baiter, and Power Builder"

//opinion.
Ignore, unless it is a long-term player.

I mean, you COULD try explaining, but doing it for everybody who complains will take forever, and some people will not accept explanations anyway. Some people can't separate IC/OOC and think that you're your character.

Check if you act in accordance to Rules and PVP rules. As long as you act in accordance with those, it is all good.

PVP rules are the most important. I had at least two great moments ruined by someone who didn't know PVP rules or forgot about them.

[Shad]

Hey people

IC Bad guys are awesome and really rare now

Stop pushing Players that make them entirely out of server OOCly.

You would end up in dead stagnant world in between DM events otherwise.

[Steve]

Hey guys, I just want to you guys to know that I don't know what to do with Kagger.

Does Kagger work towards evil-minded goals with others? Does he search out support IC, or is he a one-half-Orc killing machine hell bend on killing?

As the Player of Kagger, are you making an effort to make Kagger important in the eyes of other evil-minded PCs/organizations that they interact with him, bring Kagger into more storylines, give Kagger options for a more interesting existence?

Unfortunately, OOC bias is a yuuuuge problem on BGTSCC. As a Player of evil toons, you'll need to "work" with that just as much as the IC setting of the Sword Coast.

But like thids mentioned, and I think is great advice, is to make Kagger the center of YOUR RP, your story for him/his existence, and see it, build it in such a way that those you wish to have "conflict" with, come looking for you both IC and OOC. You'll need patience, and you'll probably have to wade through a bunch of shit still—you already have, obviously—but if you give up, it won't go anywhere for you as a Player.

If you want to develop more for Kagger, I have storylines I'm building that I'd offer a part for Kagger, if he fits (your decision, obviously).

[Bobthehero]

Power Build, FVS

Assuming that this is ''Favored Soul'' this might why some people complain about power build

[Maximvs]

I have a bad guy in mind, fun concept, but to be honest, I'm a little scared to do it. I know I will be flocked by 10-15 "good" guys at the first somewhat evil act and get clobbered bad. Not only does it happen quite often on this server, but my real grip, what I hate the most, is when they made these "sending" spells.

The sending spell is a great excuse to cover up almost any kind of metagaming and ooc knowledge passed down via tells, and also, ITS SUPPOSED TO TAKE 10 MINUTES TO CAST IN PNP.

[Thorsson]

I'd like to remind people of two things about Evil:

1. Evil does not have to mean 'Stupid Evil'

2. Evil PC does not have to want to take over 'Ze World'.

It seems that many posters here have fallen into Camp 2. It's not the only way to play Evil.

[Blackhorizon]

I have not really seen a lot of evil doers on the server and I suppose not everyone would ever run into such. I'm talking about the classic villains toll collectors, robbers, kidnappers etc. but that is likely due to the fact that once you are known/seen, you'll be hunted.

There has been one encounter, that happened out of the bushes, and definitely surprised me. It was all RP, my toon never saw the assailant as such and it possibly has a potential for PVP but never happened. Should the evildoer have chosen to say slit the throat, well I would have rolled with that.

What it showed me is that there is evil out there and things can be done cleverly and nicely. It does require willingness from both parties to play along. PVP is to me like a red flag, I'd much rather rp the whole thing and loose than do mechanics and loose.

Now on the previously mentioned encounter it could have all gone south if I hadn't acknowledged the upper hand in RP the other character had over mine and simply not wanted to play along because my character is so uber ((clearly a sarcastic comment on this case since mine isn't)).

All in all, before jumping the gun, assess the situation and how things are approached and what makes sense. Not all confrontations are open assaults nor do they need to be such. Some can be very sneaky! Imagination is your friend.

Evil needs a bit of room to maneuver too.

[NegInfinity]

I have a bad guy in mind, fun concept, but to be honest, I'm a little scared to do it. I know I will

Just go for it.

It'll take you a month of wandering around with a fiend in tow before someone attacks you. Also, disguises, old style.

[Silver_Lining]

Hang on....

There's a dead Lathanderite as you just wrote this. Right? He didn't whine or complain about not winning that I know of. He dealt with it. So are others. Right?

edit: I don't know who's complaining about power building or baiting or what not. I never have and I've never heard good RPers complaining about the same thing. Do people complain, yes. Is it for OOC or IC reasons? Base decisions on those.

Uhm... not to stir a pot here or anything, but I'm going to stir a pot- the dead Lathandarite has gotten yet another two week long attention circus out of his IG (second) death. This point, in this argument, is somewhat moot if you ask me.

Seeing this response kinda got my blood boiling.
Suppose that's fitting with the pot reference in and of itself..

The -reason- Eldarian's death has fostered and facilitated SO MUCH RP and response, is because people care about his PC. He has aided PCs, assisted at every opportunity those who have asked for his help, and where he found an opportunity to help others. He's fought in IC wars and IC moral battles.. He's contributed MORE THAN HIS SHARE of RP, and -that- is why when something this drastic happens to his PC, people respond..

He's earned the RP and I'm sorry, but I see no room to put this man down for years of devoted RP simply b/c he's gotten attention for it a couple of times. I think if nothing else, his PC is under appreciated much of the time.. So sorry, but.. the kettle boilith over.

Edit: I would like to further add that no one makes a BIG DEAL when he has huge victories or does great deeds for others. They say thanks and move on. When he has personal trials, he doesn't burden others and goes through most of them alone.. So when something devastating like death happens, and he wants that to actually mean more than a shrug and spell cast..and have it RPd out so it has quality to the rp.. let him.

It also VALIDATES the RP of the Banite who sacrificed him and all that evil player did by honoring the RP.. don't forget that either!

[RedLancer]

The Bad guys Will Never Win. We know we will never win, but we make evil guys for you guys to fight. We enjoy the conflict you give us because we choose to pick something we aren't in real life, and that's being evil.
[...]
Spoiler alert, the good guys win.

There's a dead Lathanderite as you just wrote this. Right? He didn't whine or complain about not winning that I know of. He dealt with it. So are others. Right?

the dead Lathandarite has gotten yet another two week long attention circus out of his IG (second) death. This point, in this argument, is somewhat moot if you ask me.

I am not suggesting that it's not warranted, or OOC or the result of aggression or any of what you just said. My point in making the statement I did is by using something that's working pretty damn positively in a player's favor isn't a valid point to tell another player to essentially stfu about situations that are *not* working in their favor.

Apparently some players, namely Fury, think that RP'ing the death of ones character is nothing more than a cry for attention.

It's, like, you gotta read, man.

The -reason- Eldarian's death has fostered and facilitated SO MUCH RP and response, is because people care about his PC. He has aided PCs, assisted at every opportunity those who have asked for his help, and where he found an opportunity to help others. He's fought in IC wars and IC moral battles.. He's contributed MORE THAN HIS SHARE of RP, and -that- is why when something this drastic happens to his PC, people respond..

He's earned the RP and I'm sorry, but I see no room to put this man down for years of devoted RP simply b/c he's gotten attention for it a couple of times. I think if nothing else, his PC is under appreciated much of the time.. So sorry, but.. the kettle boilith over.

I am not suggesting that it's not warranted, or OOC or the result of aggression or any of what you just said. My point in making the statement I did is by using something that's working pretty damn positively in a player's favor isn't a valid point to tell another player to essentially stfu about situations that are *not* working in their favor.

It's, like, you gotta read, man.

[Maximvs]

It does require willingness from both parties to play along.

Easy thing to say. Or write, rather. The massively metagaming team good ( that doesn't seem to do it out of spite, but unconsciously metagames by swarming at any location where there's something going on ) not only is extremely rarely punished for it, but it's not even educated toward better RP ( better as in fun for everybody ).

While the blame lies in the players far more than DM's, I kind of wish DM's would at least put out a guideline on how to RP properly and ask their players to read it once, as part of the rules.

[Blackhorizon]

Easy thing to say. Or write, rather.

I've seen it happen. I do play in the "team" good.

Also I forgot to mention that on the described situation my character wasn't even alone but with a party.

[Snarfy]

It's, like, you gotta read, man.

We can read just fine. Perhaps it's yourself(with your whopping 9th and 10th posts ever) that need to read... as this part:

My point in making the statement I did is by using something that's working pretty damn positively in a player's favor isn't a valid point to tell another player to essentially stfu about situations that are *not* working in their favor.

... has got to be about the dumbest reasoning for the remark possible. Unless of course you actually think it's working pretty damn positively in the dead guys favor, who cant RP with all those nice folks visiting his corpse because... well, he's dead. Possibly even permanently. Yeah, sweet deal! I also dont see anyone telling anyone to stfu, rather they are offering advice to the bad guy on how he might deal with the *gasp* consequences of his IC actions.

"Do things by the book" Oh great I'm gonna be railroading my character.

I meant adhering to the server rules, of course.

[Maximvs]

Easy thing to say. Or write, rather.

I've seen it happen. I do play in the "team" good.

Also I forgot to mention that on the described situation my character wasn't even alone but with a party.

I'm not blaming you in particular, nor judging you. But to see my point, you should see things in perspective ; the whole picture. How often you meet people willing to play ball versus the "crushing evil no matter what" mindset, then slap a percentage on it.

As this thread starter states, and many others, even if they follow the rules, peer pressure gets to most evil players in the long run, and nothing works better for peer pressure than sheer number.