The Balance of Power

It Does What It Says on the Tin: Resolved Issues

Moderators: Moderator, Quality Control, Developer, DM

User avatar
DM Golem
Posts: 8845
Joined: Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:00 pm

Re: The Balance of Power

Unread post by DM Golem »

Blackman D wrote: the problem the surface has is how the hell do you have a place baddies can meet and rp (and actually want to go there) without goodies ruining it,
Can I ask (as it will be helpful to understanding what the issue is), what is it about the following places that makes them unsuitable, as from a staff perspective they are all places that evil can meet openly. (meeting secretly, well that can be done anywhere):
- FAI (neutral ground)
- Soubar (neutral ground, but lawless, so there might be risk of conflict)
- Roaringshore (evil - the High Captains will deal handily with interference)
- Nashkel and Beregost (In both places, evils can move safely and preach their faiths, etc. Although they are both lawful places so there is a restriction that committing of crimes in Amnian law will cause trouble)
- Corm Orp ("neutral" ground)
- Darkhold (Obviously, the Zhentarim guild will be watching you then)

I can see a problem with Law, in terms of some of these places are very lawful.
NegInfinity
Posts: 2450
Joined: Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:24 am

Re: The Balance of Power

Unread post by NegInfinity »

DM Golem wrote:
Blackman D wrote: the problem the surface has is how the hell do you have a place baddies can meet and rp (and actually want to go there) without goodies ruining it,
Can I ask (as it will be helpful to understanding what the issue is), what is it about the following places that makes them unsuitable, as from a staff perspective they are all places that evil can meet openly. (meeting secretly, well that can be done anywhere):
- FAI (neutral ground)
- Soubar (neutral ground, but lawless, so there might be risk of conflict)
- Roaringshore (evil - the High Captains will deal handily with interference)
- Nashkel and Beregost (In both places, evils can move safely and preach their faiths, etc. Although they are both lawful places so there is a restriction that committing of crimes in Amnian law will cause trouble)
- Corm Orp ("neutral" ground)
- Darkhold (Obviously, the Zhentarim guild will be watching you then)

I can see a problem with Law, in terms of some of these places are very lawful.
There's also a whole unused village (with npcs and all) on "flind" map, and most people don't seem to know about it.

Some dungeons have safe spots that can be used for necromancy rituals and the like. There aren't many of those place, but more than 2 years ago.
User avatar
Blackman D
Retired Staff
Posts: 4819
Joined: Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:43 am
Location: IL

Re: The Balance of Power

Unread post by Blackman D »

dont know about soubar, corm orp and darkhold since those were added after i left, RS was a good place when karma's crew and the SLs were about, after they disappeared no one really hung out there much

FAI, nashkel and beregost tho? :lol: way too many goodies or law people
everyone is evil till proven otherwise
User avatar
DM Golem
Posts: 8845
Joined: Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:00 pm

Re: The Balance of Power

Unread post by DM Golem »

Blackman D wrote:dont know about soubar, corm orp and darkhold since those were added after i left, RS was a good place when karma's crew and the SLs were about, after they disappeared no one really hung out there much

FAI, nashkel and beregost tho? :lol: way too many goodies or law people
So the issue is also not just "evil" RP but chaotic RP? As I do not see why the presence of non evil PCs in FAI, Nashkel or Beregost really hurts evil if they can't do anything to stop evils meeting; provided the local rules are obeyed. What I guess is stifled is demon and undead summoning in the open as I expect thats frowned upon even in Darkhold and Roaringshore as being dangerous.

As I said, I figured were talking about being around and meeting openly, as obviously a secret meeting could take place anywhere.
User avatar
Blackman D
Retired Staff
Posts: 4819
Joined: Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:43 am
Location: IL

Re: The Balance of Power

Unread post by Blackman D »

no one is sayin it has to be chaotic, tho its not like the rules help much for that anyway (unless we talking about bar fights at RS :D )
everyone is evil till proven otherwise
User avatar
Uranus
Posts: 635
Joined: Fri Oct 12, 2012 6:30 pm

Re: The Balance of Power

Unread post by Uranus »

Since 2012 the Harpers had 0 (zero) plot related DM events.
1 small event from DM Asgorath (2014?) and another half event by DM Ioulaim in 2016. However, activity has never been a problem as far as the Harper guild is concerned. I understand that DM events help, but dont put all the blame on the DM team for guild inactivity.
User avatar
Zeitgeist
Posts: 1753
Joined: Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:58 pm

Re: The Balance of Power

Unread post by Zeitgeist »

Uranus wrote:Since 2012 the Harpers had 0 (zero) plot related DM events.
1 small event from DM Asgorath (2014?) and another half event by DM Ioulaim in 2016. However, activity has never been a problem as far as the Harper guild is concerned. I understand that DM events help, but dont put all the blame on the DM team for guild inactivity.
I can think of one more than that before I was in the guild. And to be fair we have showed up as Harpers to other people's events to meddle a couple more times than that. Well, 2 1/2 times as one was split in two.

But yeah, even 1.25 events a year isn't exactly spectacular :D
"The rule of law aids peace and fosters freedom, so long as the laws are just and those who enforce them lenient and understanding."
User avatar
thids
Posts: 1254
Joined: Sat May 25, 2013 11:05 am

Re: The Balance of Power

Unread post by thids »

At first I was going to ask if you two stumbled into the wrong thread, seeing as no one is directly putting blame on the DM team for guild inactivity, and seeing as this isn't about guilds. But, let's consider your claim for a moment, since you are using a very specific guild as an example.


Harpers are hardly a regular guild, considering both who its members are and considering the fact that majority of them are heavily involved in other guilds. If I was taking a guess, I'd say that majority of Harper members spend a lot of their time filling in their roleplay needs with their "day to day" business, meaning roleplay revolving around other RP initiatives and other guilds. Imagine if you took all that away, and you were left with only Harper roleplay filling your time. Now tell me, how would your activity be looking then? You can't compare apples and oranges.
Lord Maximilian Blackthorne - retired
User avatar
Zeitgeist
Posts: 1753
Joined: Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:58 pm

Re: The Balance of Power

Unread post by Zeitgeist »

Thids wrote:At first I was going to ask if you two stumbled into the wrong thread, seeing as no one is directly putting blame on the DM team for guild inactivity, and seeing as this isn't about guilds. But, let's consider your claim for a moment, since you are using a very specific guild as an example.


Harpers are hardly a regular guild, considering both who its members are and considering the fact that majority of them are heavily involved in other guilds. If I was taking a guess, I'd say that majority of Harper members spend a lot of their time filling in their roleplay needs with their "day to day" business, meaning roleplay revolving around other RP initiatives and other guilds. Imagine if you took all that away, and you were left with only Harper roleplay filling your time. Now tell me, how would your activity be looking then? You can't compare apples and oranges.
I expect my colleague was posting in response to the events + items arc which started with the first reply to this thread (he can speak for himself though). I was pretty much just correcting his numbers.

You make fair points though, its not a standard guild. Speaking for myself I expect Harper business occupies quite a big chunk of my roleplay on my character. A third, maybe? Perhaps a half depending on how you define it, but not a majority by any means. Its quite lonely though. Playing a Harper might share more of the problems that evil players find themselves faced with than one might think, as compared to public guilds. Especially when we didn't have a guildhall! Or, I should say, a safe guildhall.

Anyway given the conversation has moved on from events I won't make further posts here as its not really a thread for the woes of the Harper guild.
"The rule of law aids peace and fosters freedom, so long as the laws are just and those who enforce them lenient and understanding."
User avatar
Akroma666
Posts: 1888
Joined: Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:24 pm
Location: California

Re: The Balance of Power

Unread post by Akroma666 »

100% agree with Thids.
I tried doing with the Zhents, it got nowhere. Although a specific agent did try to recruit me, SK that was nice. Other than that, yheybstayed locked up in their ebon tower not lending aid or even talking to me as I promoted chaos more so than anything else.
Also, I tired to start a guild.. Even resurrect the cult of the dragon... We got ZERO DM support.. Absolutely nothing. (Back then we needed a sponsor). We couldn't get a guild hall, place of meeting with a lock, not even a damp cave to meet in and discuss the state of affairs in.
I agree with Thids, if you want evil, we need help! We can't just "fit in" we need active events with DMS going out of there way for us. Please help!

[quote]I can see a problem with Law, in terms of some of these places are very lawful.[/quote]

Case and point.. You draw a blade to cut the tounge out of a loud moth bard.. You get rules'd to death. "Guards would interfere!!"
Last edited by Akroma666 on Tue May 10, 2016 10:20 am, edited 1 time in total.
Storm - The Blade Flurry
Druegar Grizzleclaw - The Mountain Ruin Tsar
Akroma Thuul - The Creepy Enchanter
Liliana Duskblade - The B*tch of Bane
Jamie Dawnbringer - The Light in the Darkness
User avatar
mrm3ntalist
Retired Staff
Posts: 7746
Joined: Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:31 pm
Location: US of A

Re: The Balance of Power

Unread post by mrm3ntalist »

Akroma666 wrote:We can't just "fit in" we need active events with DMS going out of there way for us. Please help!
:shock: Is that how all evil players/guilds feel?
Mendel - Villi of En Dharasha Everae | Nikos Berenicus - Initiate of the Mirari | Efialtes Rodius - Blood Magus | Olaf Garaeif - Dwarven Slayer

Spelling mistakes are purposely entered for your entertainment! ChatGPT "ruined" the fun :(
User avatar
Akroma666
Posts: 1888
Joined: Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:24 pm
Location: California

Re: The Balance of Power

Unread post by Akroma666 »

mrm3ntalist wrote:
Akroma666 wrote:We can't just "fit in" we need active events with DMS going out of there way for us. Please help!
:shock: Is that how all evil players/guilds feel?
I'll be honest.. I quit a while back and am just Noe getting geared back up for rp.. I can't answer that at this time. But for the last several years.. Aside from what the old blood mage Sabel did.. Absolutely

Edit: I will add, I'm not sure if you or the DM staff know that I am a warband leader by combat superiority. I have 3 RL friends that did play when we were getting events, and even a few in game that would join. These were open evil bit neutral events around my back story. In our prime we have 4 active evil players that were more or less open about it causing disruptions around the trade way and fai. As Theo got busy with the campaign, we lost our "sponsorship" so to speak and we were forgotten about. After that.. I quit.. Everyone else followed.. And as I've been looking for my old in game mates, looks like a bunch followed too. More reason to express how important evil focused events are.. Without good smashing its face in. Ask anyone about my attempts to get a bunch of level 3-4 characters together to rob the trade way.. Then a group of level 30 paladins show up and we get slaughtered. How is that fun?
Storm - The Blade Flurry
Druegar Grizzleclaw - The Mountain Ruin Tsar
Akroma Thuul - The Creepy Enchanter
Liliana Duskblade - The B*tch of Bane
Jamie Dawnbringer - The Light in the Darkness
User avatar
Blackman D
Retired Staff
Posts: 4819
Joined: Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:43 am
Location: IL

Re: The Balance of Power

Unread post by Blackman D »

Akroma666 wrote:Even resurrect the cult of the dragon...
not to side track too much but never seen anything from you :? had one guy want to join not long ago but of course never heard from him after that, as well as a few others who are just hard to track down in game
everyone is evil till proven otherwise
User avatar
Darkcloud777
Posts: 891
Joined: Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:22 pm

Re: The Balance of Power

Unread post by Darkcloud777 »

Uranus wrote:Since 2012 the Harpers had 0 (zero) plot related DM events.
1 small event from DM Asgorath (2014?) and another half event by DM Ioulaim in 2016. However, activity has never been a problem as far as the Harper guild is concerned. I understand that DM events help, but dont put all the blame on the DM team for guild inactivity.
It's not like the harpers was not given a chance to get involved in plots. Sad to say that I know of some that the guild just refused to play in the sandbox and share shovels.
Terri Lalani
Administrator of Phoenix Company
User avatar
Steve
Recognized Donor
Posts: 8135
Joined: Wed Jul 08, 2015 5:42 am
Location: Paradise in GMT +1

Re: The Balance of Power

Unread post by Steve »

Thids wrote:And I am surprised how you can, even after I have pointed out all the flaws to you, be sore about rejection. Especially when rejection is the only thing that makes sense IC.
If I was sore about rejection from you or any other Player, why would I continue to invite you, both IC and OOC, into new collaborative RP?

Why so aggressive? Looking for an outlet?

Thids wrote:Your character in the Zhentarim was not a victim of "OOC skype clique", he was the victim of his extremely low activity and little actual effort put into the guild. No matter what you believe. You can keep your apologies, because that is no apology whatsoever. And I'm not looking for one either. Despite what you may think, I am able to keep a clear mind and stay objective when looking at your RP ideas. I simply do not like them. Zhentarim being a clique? Are you serious? Wolfshear and I spend majority of our playtime out and about, roleplaying with anyone and everyone we stumble upon.
So here you are again placing blame on another, choosing instead to offer any assistance, any help, any guidance. In your infinite wisdom and expertise in deconstructing ideas in order point out their flaws, do you ever take the position of being constructive, or helpful? Or is it simply that you give out your idea of what works, overriding any other idea, instead of working together to improve it?

If you do not like my RP ideas, for evil-minded RP, that is one thing. But are you truly the kind of Person that, when after you lodge blame and complaint on another, and that person apologizes, you choose to continue to shit on them, and attempt to call out all their RP as the same? Is that really your goal, Thids?

Thids wrote:If you think your characters ideas are rejected because of some OOC grudge or something, by all means, feel free to contact Fzoul. I'm certain he eagerly awaits fanmail from random people in the Western Heartlands.
Did I say this? Can you not see often you mix up IC and OOC issues? So now you equate bad ideas with random people, and how neither have any merit, any place, on BGTSCC. Which is kinda funny because the whole time I have presented to you ideas both IC and OOC, they were all about building up a structure, creating something new. You neither come with aid nor understanding, instead, judgement and disregard. Should I consider this reaction on your part, a direct result of your self-stated near burnout on this Server?

Thids wrote:Oh and to point something out, The Zhentarim is very open to any RP approaches from the players. In fact we look forward to them, and to the RP. Your attempts at trying to skew this image as if we are some sort of elitists who reject ideas and opportunities based on OOC crap are in vain. Plenty of people can confirm that it's simply not true. You can continue to try and be a subtle bully about all this OOCly, or you can accept the simple fact that people dislike your idea because it is not a good one.
You can dislike my idea as much as you want, as a Player. And of course, your Toon can also have their own IC rejections...but which one is it, really? It continues to seem to me you are not separating the two.

In addition, attempting to skew my image as an "subtle bully" is an attempt to label me as something that benefits you, somehow. I think it makes you feel better, or, gives you reason to be so aggressive against me personally because I'm the bully, and you're just fighting back. Lol.

I would accept the simple fact that my idea(s) have no merit, if others besides yourself, actually thought that. But since I do have other people that are willing to establish some collaborative RP through helping build up some of these ideas, so that they are "owned" by all the participants, I can easily dismiss your false labeling.

Talsorian the Conjuransmuter - The (someTIMEs) Traveler

The half-MAN, the MYrchanT(H), the LEGENDermaine ~ Jon Smythe [Bio]

Brinn Essebrenanath — Volamtar, seeking wisdom within the earth dream [Bio]
Locked

Return to “Solved Problems”