I did provide examples of a a rulebook stating a normal elemental was capable of speaking common. And once again, Flasmix's quote (Flemix is the name of no one in this thread) AND his argument supports elementals being able to speak common, and it is also sourced.Maximvs wrote:Well, I guess you just consider elementals to be able to talk with a proper vocal apparatus while others don't. Your argument remains based on logical deductions, while Dm echo and flemix's quote gives the other side more substance, along with their own logical deductions.
To make your -theory- work, you need to dumb down fantastic languages to simple, modern day chinese or spanish or whatever... but if you read on other fantastic languages, like Abyssal with it's endless buzzing of sounds of animals and natural occurrences, or Infernal with it's endless titles and flattery and hidden cues, why not add a fantastic element to the elemental tongues as well? You dumb down the elemental languages to make your theory work, and when you say things like "how can the sound of crashing waves send double meanings and hidden puns" shows that you don't understand how a language works. Yes, you can send double meanings with any kind of sound, doesn't matter if they're normal english words or vibrating the stones in your body or shifting the wind around you or blowing bubbles and rattling your throat.
Your lore book quote doesn't prove your theory to be 100 % sure, yet you talk as if you are 100 % sure of yourself. See the phaerimm for example. They communicate with themselves by shifting the wind around their body ( sounds similar to an air elemental? ) and communicate with other beings telepatically, because they know common and because their mouths and vocal chords doesn't really allow it, just like you cannot talk common while in the form of a cat. They know common but that doesn't mean they can speak it. You claim others should prove you wrong, but you are the one that must provide proof because the DM ruling is in effect and you want to break it. All you gotta do is dig in any DnD book and find an elemental that speaks common and produces the words.
Stop arguing. Open some books and find us an example of a normal elemental speaking common to some npc hero. Go on.
Please, re-read carefully enough to get the names right, and I think you will find a plethora of evidence for our side, and virtually none for your own.
Unfortunately, I worry that this thread may have already jumped that shark, and will not prove productive now that it's reached an intimidating five pages in length.