Spellbook and Holy symbol as IG items

It Does What It Says on the Tin: Resolved Issues

Moderators: Moderator, Developer, DM

Post Reply
User avatar
Herisheft
Retired Staff
Posts: 561
Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:59 am
Location: Event Horizon
Contact:

Spellbook and Holy symbol as IG items

Unread post by Herisheft »

Whole RcR thing and specially when it camed to wizards, made me remember about something that was present in one of my old servers.

Wizard's Spellbook and Preist's Holy-symbol were actual items carried in your inventory. How did it worked?

Spellbook remembered all the spells which character learned and know. IT could be given away to other wizard and this way the character could use all spells that book contained. Perfect for rcr when you have to buy spells again or to try and find some more important ones, which is not that easy and pain in the rear, but that's also how it should work. Other aspect as an RP and mechanical one. Wizard could be disarmed by removing a book from his inventory, he still could use spells that he had already meditated but he couldn't meditate new load of them without his book. Pretty much same thing happened with priests and their Holy Symbols. They couldn't use divine magic without symbol in their inventory, and they were connected with the actual deity in your character's sheet, so you couldn't use symbol of other deity than your own. In case of faith change, DM had to give a new symbol to the player.
Everything pretty much lorewise and with huge RP flavour. Many ridiculous situations were avoided thanks to this system, for example when wizards blew up the prison door after one night of meditating fireballs. It happened.

Personally, I would like to see that here. I don't know how difficult that might be to bring to life, but I thought I might bring it up for any case. Just a suggestion.
I am your Rick Sanchez for today...and Simon Cowell for tomorrow.

Iglith Motrax - Girl with the saddest eyes...
Seteneptra Ma'u Vyacheslav- Red Wizard & Khazark of the Thayan Enclave

Evolution doesn't take prisoners.
Shad
Posts: 328
Joined: Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:36 am
Location: Ukraine

Re: Spellbook and Holy symbol as IG items

Unread post by Shad »

There is NWN shard, where Clerics have to have holy symbol in their left hand to cast spells. There was few, very rare shields, that count as holy symbols, other was made of Torches technically.
Rather simple to implement using spellhook.

It actually would be very great if these items coulde be visible to others around.
Spellbooks could be made so through new belts on the armor.
I like that idea.
Last edited by Shad on Sat Sep 03, 2016 5:52 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Tad - mercenary of the Phoenix Company. Now spending most of time in Friendly Arms, where he rents a room.
Corwin - Who am I? - Lost memory after injuries in the Undead war..
User avatar
ValerieJean
Retired Staff
Posts: 851
Joined: Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:54 pm

Re: Spellbook and Holy symbol as IG items

Unread post by ValerieJean »

Would be pretty awesome IMO.
Micar'vilchi Illiathor


Gaven Arkalis
User avatar
matelener
Retired Staff
Posts: 973
Joined: Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:02 am

Re: Spellbook and Holy symbol as IG items

Unread post by matelener »

In the new epic shop there are equippable drums with AC bonus and other properties. Something like this could be made for clerics, assuming there's an available somewhere graphic model?
User avatar
Tantive
Posts: 1100
Joined: Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:40 am

Re: Spellbook and Holy symbol as IG items

Unread post by Tantive »

For my wizardly characters I carry a book which functions rp wise as The spellbook. How wonderful mechanicly it would be if it was actually functional. Especially with glaring issues only an rcr fixes.
Elyssa Symbaern - Bladesinger
Isioviel Fereyn - Elven Ranger
Charisa Flomeigne - Scion of Siamorphe
User avatar
Rhifox
Posts: 3962
Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:34 am

Re: Spellbook and Holy symbol as IG items

Unread post by Rhifox »

It would be nice, but I don't know if the developer effort to create a whole system for it is necessary. It's easy enough for people to just grab a book item or amulet and make a spellbook/holy symbol for themselves via the PC Tool, and RP with it. I've been doing that for tons of items lately.

That spellbook system does sound very nice, though, and would be great to have.
Tarina — The Witch of Darkhold, a dealer in spirits and black magic
Eclypticon
Posts: 1009
Joined: Mon May 30, 2011 7:26 pm
Location: USA

Re: Spellbook and Holy symbol as IG items

Unread post by Eclypticon »

Hypothetically, I might support this as long as the items in question were not required to be equipped to any of the slots. I'm not saying I would be against items that could be equipped, but I wouldn't want to limit players with a new mechanic just yet. A spell book in inventory is fine, and a holy symbol in inventory is fine. If you want it to be equitable into a slot, then it should be crafted to do so, but not necessarily required to cast spells. I do like the RP aspect of this.

On another note, I wouldn't mind transferable wizard spell books, but we would need to discuss balance concerns and exploits. We would need to talk about how exactly a cleric would transfer their spells which should have several restrictions with their holy symbol. I see a lot of potential for problems, but with the right amount of effort and foresight, it could work.
User avatar
Kiran
Posts: 807
Joined: Wed Feb 03, 2016 12:21 pm
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Spellbook and Holy symbol as IG items

Unread post by Kiran »

Simply love it.

Even if it took up a slot.

For DM's to consider though as the above post said, if there is ways to avoid exploits, sounds like a fun addition.
Player of:

Damian Pascal, - Run away/dead. - Background - Corruption from Within
Amenthes Serb, Knight - Gone missing/Supposed dead Background
Tamzim Renima, mercenary - Handed over to the fist. Background
Kiran, Golden Wheel - Presumed dead
Althalous Fenwick, Paladin of Mystra. - A memory lost
User avatar
Herisheft
Retired Staff
Posts: 561
Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:59 am
Location: Event Horizon
Contact:

Re: Spellbook and Holy symbol as IG items

Unread post by Herisheft »

No equiping. :) They were just laying there in your inventory.
Eclypticon wrote:Hypothetically, I might support this as long as the items in question were not required to be equipped to any of the slots. I'm not saying I would be against items that could be equipped, but I wouldn't want to limit players with a new mechanic just yet.
I am your Rick Sanchez for today...and Simon Cowell for tomorrow.

Iglith Motrax - Girl with the saddest eyes...
Seteneptra Ma'u Vyacheslav- Red Wizard & Khazark of the Thayan Enclave

Evolution doesn't take prisoners.
User avatar
Valefort
Retired Admin
Posts: 9779
Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:07 pm
Location: France, GMT +2

Re: Spellbook and Holy symbol as IG items

Unread post by Valefort »

And then spellbooks would be stolen, ransomed, destroyed, plundered, protected 8-)
Mealir Ostirel - Incorrigible swashbuckler
AlwaysSummer Day
Recognized Donor
Posts: 1170
Joined: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:27 pm
Location: Detroit, Michigan

Re: Spellbook and Holy symbol as IG items

Unread post by AlwaysSummer Day »

Tatoo spellbooks. Page 186 of Complete Arcane. Just thought I'd mention it.
Roland; svirfneblin fist of the forest and eco terrorist.
Heinrich Von Rittermark; Everwatch Knights of Helm
Frederick Von Rittermark; Paladin of Azuth/Mystra
Erik Von Rittermark; Unknown
Tsidkenu

Re: Spellbook and Holy symbol as IG items

Unread post by Tsidkenu »

Tel'kiira are also sometimes used as elven spellbooks, as I've always (discreetly) RPed in Aeili's case.
User avatar
Moltrazahn
Posts: 915
Joined: Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:33 am

Re: Spellbook and Holy symbol as IG items

Unread post by Moltrazahn »

What's this spellbook your talking about? Sounds cumbersome!

#sorcerer4life
Za'than Za'amal(Elsewhere!)
Thumbler Trunk-son(Also Elsewhere!)
Inanis Umbra(Active)
Molag'ur(He stink!)

Myhun Kren: "You should change Za'thans mask to green, and run around yelling "Somebody STOP ME!"

"You are a spastic pony" - HDM Arrakeen
Post Reply

Return to “Solved Problems”