Kama monk help

[Toxen]

Hello everyone

I have been playing here casually for a while. Really having a good time, and met a lot of wonderful people. So thanks for community, server etc. I used to be good at building characters on nwn1 years back, so I thought id just go with the flow and it would be fine....

However I have made a char that I kind of regret. I am monk/fighter/tempest, focused on dual kamas. I started only with 12 wisdom so my ac feels really low. To rectify this I have tried to make new builds on nwn2db.

This is where I need help. I would greatly appreciate it if people would look at the build below, and critique and comment them to help me find the better one.

The goal of the build is get many many attacks each round

Build 1 is: Fighter10, Monk11, Tempest5, Duelist4
http://nwn2db.com/build/?259984
Reason for duelist was to get my int bonus to ac as well but that is all really.


2nd build is Fighter14, Monk11, Tempest 5
http://nwn2db.com/build/?259983
More damage and ab than the one with duelist, but loses the int bonus to ac.


3rd build I cut down on my intelligence and threw the points in wis instead.
http://nwn2db.com/build/?259985
Otherwise pretty identical to the 2nd one, except I changed 2 feats for 2 extra dex feats.


Okay I hope someone can help me out here give me feedback as in what to choose

Thanks in advance

Also if all these builds are bad, can someone post an alternative?

[Steve]

Any high DEX build with Evasion NEEDS TO TAKE Expose Weakness asap in the Epic levels. All the builds are missing this.

As well, all the builds are missing dmg output. After a quick scan, it seems your dmg would be nearly completely negated with DR 10/ mobs. That ain't gonna cut it!!! (ooh, bad pun....lol)

Most builders will say that a Human should never start with an 18 Ability stat—you get much more mileage with spreading the 17 and 18 pts to other, lower stats, like...Constitution, in your case(s).

All that said, your 2nd build has the most chance, in my humble opinion. I would also save Imp. Critical Kama to the end of your build—since you are taking non-epic feats in epic levels, and make an effort to acquire Keen kamas. Maybe then you can utilize that feat in another way!!

BTW: a 10 STR build will hurt, when doing loot runs. 1 heavy armor pick up and you'll be encumbered.

[Toxen]

Thanks a lot for your feedback Steve. Will take a look at expose weakness asap. (I dont think this was in nwn1)


How would you go about increasing the damage output to avoid dealing 0 damage to mobs with damage reduction?


Oh that is what expose weakness is for

[Theodore01]

That one worked very well. Just look out for some vampiric kamas
http://nwn2db.com/build/?225816

[Steve]

That one worked very well. Just look out for some vampiric kamas
http://nwn2db.com/build/?225816

I thought Ashe eventually became a HiPSter?!

@ Toxen: Expose Weakness is the shizznizzle. No build should ever, EVER, pass up this broken and OP Epic Feat (if it can qualify).

As for more damage, using your 2nd build as a template, you can probably dial back the DEX to 25 so you still qualify for PTWF, however, you use those freed up feats for Weapon Specialization, and hopefully the Epic Version, for +6 DMG.

Then, you dmg calculation per hit would be 1d4 kama + 2 (STR w/ Bull's) + 4 EB + 6 Epic Specialization + 2 Melee Weapon Specialization Slashing = 16 avg. per hit. Still, against DR 10/- mobs, you'll need those 6 high AB attacks out of 12, to reach 60 dmg per round, which is quite low for a melee, per round, especially in Epic Areas with mobs with 400 HP.

This is why DEX builds have Sneak Attack dice, so against a majority of the mob content, the build is viable—not to mention F.U.N. to play!

Honestly, Tempest isn't really doing you any favors here, since you already qualify for PTWF on the DEX side: Tempest is GREAT for STR focused builds. If you swapped out Tempest for Swashbuckler, you could add INT dmg to your attacks...but then you'd have to pump INT a bit.

[Toxen]

Great replies. Also thx for sharing build Theodore1

1 question about your build: You pick Combat Insight... But doesnt Swashbuckler Insightful strike do the same? And so the feat seems wasted? Or do they stack?

[Arn]

They stack.

[Toxen]

Last questions about that build: Ac seems a bit lower than those I made, (6 points). That is not a problem? I havent been far in this game, so dont know how much is needed at high level areas to stay safe. I realise some ac is sacrificed for the higher damage output though. Also ab goes down from 42, to 39 when comparing the 2 builds, but I suppose that difference is so small that it doesnt matter.

Is blind fight worth it? Or is it better to get a +1 ac feat or something like that? (greater 2wpn defense or amour skin)

Also any reason for Lawful good alignment? Vs going for neutral or evil?


Again thanks for the help

[Theodore01]

Caution - that build (Fighter (14), Monk (11), Swashbuckler (5)) was obviously made at the time when 100% RCR was available.

If you're leveling such a toon from scratch, you need to alternate the classes to avoid multiclass penalty as best as possible. And still it's a pain to level.
(starting with 20% xp penalty from tiefling, then 40% and 60% in the epics )

Blindfight - its nice to have, but not needed on a toon with so many attacks.

But what else would you take for it ?
(There is no greater one and Armorskin is an epic feat)
You could also avoid CE, as it does not work with flurry active.

Any lawful alignment is valid for a monk.

[Toxen]

Sounds rough... Now I am even less sure of what to do lol

[Theodore01]

Air genasi works better for such a class split. Has only 20% and 40% the last 5 levels.
However one AC less.

http://nwn2db.com/build/?260005

Would start with STR 12 for a bit more carrying.
Oh and CE is required for Combat Insight.

[Toxen]

Hmm both seem like good choices. But tiefling is the best option, but yeah bigger penalty.


Any other builds/class/race combinations i should consider?

[Toxen]

also i am gonna RCR my old char, so I will end up around 90k exp after reroll if that changes anything.

[Rudolph]

Mmh. You got me thinking about Kama Monks with the following result (the stats assume top shelf items):
http://nwn2db.com/build/?260030

Circle Kick stands for Athkathlan Triparte. You could replace it by Ki Step if you prefer 3 more low-AB attacks and a nice escape button to 3 dmg and AC.

[Toxen]

Also looks pretty good, thanks Rudolph.

Now to figure out which is better: the swashbuckler or the dervish one? I am pretty sure I will pick one of these two.

Either way i wanna RCR soon(today), it sux to not play the game