Sacred Fist

Questions About Character Builds, Build Critiques, and Build Sharing

Moderators: Moderator, DM

Post Reply
User avatar
The Whistler
Posts: 1435
Joined: Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:44 pm

Sacred Fist

Unread post by The Whistler »

Assuming a 3monk/7cleric/SF10/Hiero10 split. Which hierophant feats would you pick and why ? Also, what would your stat split look like ? Thanks.
Schrödinger's Cyricism: NPCs simultaneously know everything and nothing about Cyric until observed by the Cyricist. Then they default to the state that disadvantages the Cyricist the most.
User avatar
mrm3ntalist
Retired Staff
Posts: 7746
Joined: Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:31 pm
Location: US of A

Re: Sacred Fist

Unread post by mrm3ntalist »

The Whistler wrote:Assuming a 3monk/7cleric/SF10/Hiero10 split. Which hierophant feats would you pick and why ? Also, what would your stat split look like ? Thanks.
Is it a DC caster?

If so this might help you - http://nwn2db.com/build/?236955
Mendel - Villi of En Dharasha Everae | Nikos Berenicus - Initiate of the Mirari | Efialtes Rodius - Blood Magus | Olaf Garaeif - Dwarven Slayer

Spelling mistakes are purposely entered for your entertainment! ChatGPT "ruined" the fun :(
User avatar
The Whistler
Posts: 1435
Joined: Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:44 pm

Re: Sacred Fist

Unread post by The Whistler »

Yeah, whilst trying to not be an utter wimp in melee either. I'm having a hard time balancing the two when choosing hierophant feats.

Should I even bother with divine spellpower with a 12ish CHA ?
Schrödinger's Cyricism: NPCs simultaneously know everything and nothing about Cyric until observed by the Cyricist. Then they default to the state that disadvantages the Cyricist the most.
User avatar
mrm3ntalist
Retired Staff
Posts: 7746
Joined: Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:31 pm
Location: US of A

Re: Sacred Fist

Unread post by mrm3ntalist »

The Whistler wrote:Yeah, whilst trying to not be an utter wimp in melee either. I'm having a hard time balancing the two when choosing hierophant feats.

Should I even bother with divine spellpower with a 12ish CHA ?
There will be very few TU uses for my taste to worth the investment. However it can fit in. Personally i dont like it.

The DC way, especially the Tyranny domain, make the build more versatile and efficient.
Mendel - Villi of En Dharasha Everae | Nikos Berenicus - Initiate of the Mirari | Efialtes Rodius - Blood Magus | Olaf Garaeif - Dwarven Slayer

Spelling mistakes are purposely entered for your entertainment! ChatGPT "ruined" the fun :(
chad878262
QC Coordinator
Posts: 9333
Joined: Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:55 pm

Re: Sacred Fist

Unread post by chad878262 »

This would obviously much more Cleric oriented than monk oriented... I would say you need at least 1 spell power, which alongside Practiced caster will give you CL30. SP III would give you 32 so if you are going for max WIS as opposed to being more of a gish you could certainly take all 3. After that here is my feedback on the various Hiero abilities:

- Blast Infidel is an option...If you go for high DC's there are some decent damage spells so you could get alright mileage out of this. Harm could potentially be a solid boss killer and slay living would be a solid cast.
- Faith Healing is a good pick IMO...Double all Cure spells is nice, especially if you also grab the healing domain and/or can empower/maximize them.
- Mastery of Energy is a no...You probably aren't going to have very high CHA so you just aren't going to be great at turning undead.
- Advanced Divine Spellpower is a no... Really like the idea behind it but it just doesn't work as it should so doesn't provide the oomph. If you really could go beyond +4 CL it would be a nice way to give a solid chance that your buffs don't get dispelled when hit by Mord's. Unfortunately last I tested it that was not the case so I can't really recommend this.
- Gift of the Deity is an option....free empowered gift of the deity, used with extend spell is solid, depending on alignment it's better or worse.
- Inscribe Rune... I would definitely make this one of my picks. Storing spells is great if you need an uninterruptable cast to reapply a buff quickly or for an 'oh @#%#!' button
- Toll of Nature and Oak Friend are no, obviously.

So if it were me I would go SPIII, Inscribe Rune and then either Gift of the Deity, Faith Healing or Blast Infidel. I'd say this pick largely depends on your build, alignment and potentially the type of RP you want to have. I personally think Faith Healing would provide the most utility, but it is not so strong that I'd auto-pick it (you have regenerate up, most times anyway, right?)

Hope this helps.

edit: since you are going DC caster I think Blast Infidel would be a nice choice for a solid damage boost to some of your spells.
Chord Silverstrings - Bard and OSR Squire / Tarent Nefzen - Arcane Wand Merchant and Master Alchemist / Irrace Arkentlar - Drow Adventurer / Finneaus Du'Veil - Gem Merchant and Executive Officer of SCCE

Tarent's Wands and Elixirs

A Wand Crafter's guide to using wands
User avatar
mrm3ntalist
Retired Staff
Posts: 7746
Joined: Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:31 pm
Location: US of A

Re: Sacred Fist

Unread post by mrm3ntalist »

Another thing to note is a skipped empower metamagic. I only use DC spells. For damage i let the summons, harms or the fists. Even with 8STR the damage is decent and it gets great burst damage if you activate the sacred flames
Mendel - Villi of En Dharasha Everae | Nikos Berenicus - Initiate of the Mirari | Efialtes Rodius - Blood Magus | Olaf Garaeif - Dwarven Slayer

Spelling mistakes are purposely entered for your entertainment! ChatGPT "ruined" the fun :(
User avatar
Steve
Recognized Donor
Posts: 8143
Joined: Wed Jul 08, 2015 5:42 am
Location: Paradise in GMT +1

Re: Sacred Fist

Unread post by Steve »

chad878262 wrote: - Gift of the Deity is an option....free empowered gift of the deity, used with extend spell is solid, depending on alignment it's better or worse.
How do you extend a lvl 9 spell?

Talsorian the Conjuransmuter - The (someTIMEs) Traveler

The half-MAN, the MYrchanT(H), the LEGENDermaine ~ Jon Smythe [Bio]

Brinn Essebrenanath — Volamtar, seeking wisdom within the earth dream [Bio]
chad878262
QC Coordinator
Posts: 9333
Joined: Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:55 pm

Re: Sacred Fist

Unread post by chad878262 »

Steve wrote:
chad878262 wrote: - Gift of the Deity is an option....free empowered gift of the deity, used with extend spell is solid, depending on alignment it's better or worse.
How do you extend a lvl 9 spell?
Lesser Visage of the Deity... Greater Visage replicates other spells that can be cast with longer durations for the most part, lesser visage is a 3rd level spell and empowered would give (I assume) DR vs. the various elements for 6 minutes (extended). As I said though, wouldn't necessarily be one of my picks, but it's better than some of the other options. Greater Visage obviously can't be extended, but the empowered version of the 9th level would be nice for some boss fights I suppose.
Chord Silverstrings - Bard and OSR Squire / Tarent Nefzen - Arcane Wand Merchant and Master Alchemist / Irrace Arkentlar - Drow Adventurer / Finneaus Du'Veil - Gem Merchant and Executive Officer of SCCE

Tarent's Wands and Elixirs

A Wand Crafter's guide to using wands
User avatar
The Whistler
Posts: 1435
Joined: Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:44 pm

Re: Sacred Fist

Unread post by The Whistler »

Greater Visage is not extended, just empowered. There's conflicting information between the class text and the actual feat tooltip. I also believe that divine spellpower was uncapped somewhat recent-ish but don't quote me on that.

The idea here is for a priest of kossuth that relies mainly on evocation spells but can administer an ass whooping when it's called for.
Schrödinger's Cyricism: NPCs simultaneously know everything and nothing about Cyric until observed by the Cyricist. Then they default to the state that disadvantages the Cyricist the most.
User avatar
The Whistler
Posts: 1435
Joined: Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:44 pm

Re: Sacred Fist

Unread post by The Whistler »

Further question: does empower spell stack with Faith Healing and Blast Infidel ?
Schrödinger's Cyricism: NPCs simultaneously know everything and nothing about Cyric until observed by the Cyricist. Then they default to the state that disadvantages the Cyricist the most.
User avatar
mrm3ntalist
Retired Staff
Posts: 7746
Joined: Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:31 pm
Location: US of A

Re: Sacred Fist

Unread post by mrm3ntalist »

The Whistler wrote:Further question: does empower spell stack with Faith Healing and Blast Infidel ?
no
Mendel - Villi of En Dharasha Everae | Nikos Berenicus - Initiate of the Mirari | Efialtes Rodius - Blood Magus | Olaf Garaeif - Dwarven Slayer

Spelling mistakes are purposely entered for your entertainment! ChatGPT "ruined" the fun :(
Post Reply

Return to “Character Building”