Upperdark

[K'yon Oblodra]

Heya guys,

I don't really know where to put it but I was wondering, can surfacers do the Upperdark quests of the svirfs?

I haven't been there a lot but last time the place was almost crawling with surfacers.

I am not asking this cause I want to change anything about it in an OOC fashion although I really wonder if svirfs would deal with surfacers.

I am just thinking about how drow would respond to the svirfs dealing with surfacers...

Let me know what you think XD

[cosmic ray]

To be honest, deep gnomes would probably not let anyone inside their villages, most of all the drow and duergar.

[The Whistler]

Only svirfs and black archers allowed

[Calodan]

Deep gnomes are incredibly reclusive yes. So yeah ICly we are already creating a server lore rather than straight D&D lore to a T. I am thankful for that. A world where our lore and what we RP matters.

[Steve]

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[Nyeleni]

Heya guys,

I don't really know where to put it but I was wondering, can surfacers do the Upperdark quests of the svirfs?

I haven't been there a lot but last time the place was almost crawling with surfacers.

I am not asking this cause I want to change anything about it in an OOC fashion although I really wonder if svirfs would deal with surfacers.

I am just thinking about how drow would respond to the svirfs dealing with surfacers...

Let me know what you think XD

Yes, surfacers are allowed to do these quests, as they are in the Upperdark.

Lorewise though it doesn't make much sense. But then again, so shouldn't Underdarkers be allowed other than maybe earth genasi and svirfneblins of course.

[K'yon Oblodra]

Heya thanks for the replies guys, also for the link to the other thread Steve.

I have to admit I am quiet noobish in terms of lore, I only felt like something was off.

Guess there is a little more off than I thought...

Maybe it's really a good idea as stated in the other thread too have some kind of lore as to how this whole open rock run thing works server lore wise.

Edit: would it make sense for the drow to be agitated by surfacers running around the Upperdark?

Edit for the edit: I am wondering about this cause I was thinking about raising a fussing the drow community but wouldn't want to try this just to gain a lot of shaken heads about a stupid idea I came up with XD... You know getting in trouble IC cause I am stupid OOC XD

[Mork]

To be honest I'm super-confused myself. When playing sufrace char I was convinced that each visit in upperdark is high-risk escapade and was always ready to fight for my life.

While playing other way around there seems to be much pressure on how Sshamath is trade city. Almost as it would be common for drow living there to willingly mingle and trade with all sufracers. Like there's no diffrences in two cultures or diffrent opinions on the mater, and safe passage through the tunnels is granted as a general rule. Not sure if it is like that but its how first impression feels like after making a drow char. In fact there was rarely a one day since I've played where walking around upperdark did not end with meeting sufracer.

Cheers to a player that openly admitted on PM-s that he decided to pick a fight only after checking my level in scry. I've also met some players who seemed surprised by hostility of my UD char, not just expecting but almost "demanding" our meeting in the tunnels to go as two humans meeting on the sufrace road. Is it really that flattened?

[Glowfire]

My interactions with surfacers in the Upperdark have been that they just run past my drow

Most are masked when they come to Sshamath so there's little opportunity to hassle them.

Would it make sense for the drow to be agitated by surfacers running around the Upperdark?

Yes. I don't typically have my drow react in an agitated way however, if the surfacer isn't annoying him. If they are and don't show him proper respect, then he does get annoyed. However, my drow is more patient than others perhaps, and Bregan D'aerthe has surface relations so he wouldn't unnecessarily attack someone.

I've also met some players who seemed surprised by hostility of my UD char, not just expecting but almost "demanding" meeting in the tunnels should go as two humans meeting on the sufrace road. Is it really that flattened?

Just RP your drow (or whatever other UD race) properly and don't mold them to suit the surface characters unless such would make sense IC.

[V'rass]

What i was told is that inside Shammath you are safe... (relatively anyway)..., but out in the open tunnels and caverns you are technically KOS. Upperdark remains a grey area for now though its prob best to be ready for pvp anyway until an official ruling is made. I always rp being paranoid and jumpy when i go down there. Its not a place for a picnic lol. And yeah you better show proper respect when down there or you will get your ass kicked.

[professiondude]

I imagine Upperdark as a contested area between surface/UD. I mean...if you see a drow in the Upper wouldn't you want to off them for leaving the UD and getting closer to your family on the surface?
same for UD members.

[Tsidkenu]

Upperdark is not a 'grey area'.

Underdark players on the surface, and surface players within the tunnels of the Underdark, who have been identified are considered to have consented to PvP and may be killed on sight. The exceptions are for the city of Sshamath and the Upperdark, where all involved are still required to follow normal PvP rules.

I find the consent to PvP for Upperdark a rather dumb rule, personally, but in the least it would prevent pking the lowbie-mid endless Titanfist/Kro grinders.

[K'yon Oblodra]

I'd kinda like to start a motion in the UD from the City of S'shamath that the drow behave more hostile towards surfacers in the Upperdark and of course even more so in the UD unless they are really traders with very rare goods they should be seen as enemies or so my character will argue.

I don't want to change anything OOC so there should still be the whole RP out and all but yea since my character is a huge racist he'll pledge for every drow to attack surfacers the way it "should be" from his point of view.

[chad878262]

The OOC issue is that Cubicle made the Upperdark areas too good and everyone wants to be there! (seriously all the area's are really nice looking, have a decent spawn rate and accommodate many different styles of play, *pats Cubicle on the back*)

Honestly as I have stated in other threads, they give the best XP for people grinding levels, fantastic loot for people grinding loot and are open to both surface and UD players. So of course they will be crowded at times. I have reported to QC that we really aught to take a look at the various area CR/mob CR ratings because areas that give roughly equivalent XP / mob as Upperdark are far more difficult. It comes down to risk / reward... Do you want to do an area where you have to expend 5,000 gp in consumables and possibly more in healing pots due to being very dangerous vs. going to an area where you can get more XP, pick up 14 skeletons (3 titan fist, 2 Blackrock, 5 Labyrinth, 4 Descent) and a roughly equal number of chests and can solo with no (or limited) expenditure of resources?

IC I have encountered both hostile RP and cooperative and welcome both. However, both characters that I play which frequent the area's have IC reasons to attempt to make contacts with Sshamath so I always start off as cautious, but non-hostile. I'd say if IC your drow wants to get rid of the surfacers then go for it... Though do recall you have a surfacer merchant in 'The City' that sells some of the best stuff with regard to +4 INT helm, potions of (greater) heroism and a few really good wizard scrolls. Wouldn't make too much sense for Sshamath as a whole to become anti-surfacer since that might make merchants less likely to bring their stock in to sell.

[Face]

Nah leave other area's as they are and expand on the upperdark.

Its great to walk there and get into sweaty and shady encounters risk for some extra reward i would say

Ow and PS , Yes the upperdark looks epic god job on it.