Soubar and PvP

[Stonebar]

That's true the illithid is so gossipy.

[DM Hera]

Soubar and PvP

Residents of Soubar generally will not care if combat between beings takes place outside and away from merchant stalls or commerce taking place as long it does not include area affecting magics or attacks.

This breaks down to a few basics.

AoE affects are banned in Soubar and any person using such is barred from soubar, regardless if the action is in Self Defense. These AoEs are hostile and often magical.

Drow are kill on sight if an aggressor so choses but the aggressor needs to follow the basic rules of Soubar and Pvp. A masked foe must be recognized as a Drow before hand through adequate RP, a courtesy of 'RP Out' must be granted to masked characters. Further if a Drow is in business with a merchant, attacking the Drow is illegal. Using AoEs on a Drow is forbidden. It is strongly suggested Drow should wear their masks, with out a mask the character and player are consenting to pvp.

Other players must always follow the rules of PvP and include 'RP Outs'. No character may ever be attacked in any form when next to merchant npcs (with stores).

The HDMs may/will clarify this topic, change or edit as they see fit.

[Sputnik]

Replace 'mask' with 'full disguise' and that could make sense.

I've seen obvious drow in masks acting as if they shouldn't be recognized as drow... what with their stark white hair, coal black skin, red eyes and small frame.

If I see a drow on the surface, it better be disguised well, or it's getting a beat down or something.

That's just the way she goes boys.

[Sputnik]

Listen. Nobody cares about gnomes. They are called the Forgotten Folk for a reason...

Size and build alone shouldn't be a clear indication of what race someone is. That is why I mentioned hair, skin and eye color as well.
Someone wearing 'just' a mask would still be easily recognizeable as what they are.

That said, I agree that there is some confusion for some of the non-Drow denizens of the UD.
Plane-touched, full-blood orcs and svirfs(I guess) could be mistaken for surfacers, and maybe the rules regarding such could be clarified?

P.S. I am so much fun at parties

[Kagger911]

P.S. I am so much fun at parties

He'srightchuknow.

If I see a drow on the surface, it better be disguised well, or it's getting a beat down or something.

That's just the way she goes boys.

It sounds like the KoS part of the rules is getting abused a lot lately. And as usual the rules are tailor-fitted for drow characters and all other UD races are crammed to fit to it. If they're supposed to represent the sense of danger and hostility that surface races would show. It really shouldn't apply to svirfs. As the hyperbole example and the one I care about

Your bias is showing.

[Kagger911]

Two folks that have been in the same parties sticking up for each other, you certainly know what bias looks like. Anyway bias should be kept in hand not avoided.

But yeah I have a bias for gnomes I have a taste for gnomes, not because I love them, love is the absence of judgment and I have judged gnomes, thoroughly. The little guys, the minor roles in the story, the ugly ones. The Forgotten folk. Gnomes may be forgotten, but we're there.

They are so much more interesting than humans, everything a human can be as a character is enhanced on a gnome. Thousand fold. Yeah you can pull items from a high shelf the comic relief card but there's an aspect of gnomes that lies completely unexplored, everything else.

Why play the traditionalistic strictly sourcebook-based perfection-aspiring supposedly-rare actually-everywhere-and-as-common-as-ERPers-in-BGTSCC decadent elf when you have gnomes with little to non existent lore, we all know FR lore has historically been contradictory and mediocre at best, to the extent that most hardcore dnd players here consider most of the more successful FR novel books in a brutal infringement of what DnD is, with gnomes you get to chart that map, with elves you're basically playing a post-apocalyptic survival game where the Non-telquessir are zombies trying to eat your tiny little sleep-deprived brains. That sounds like fun right? For five minutes anyway.

Gnomes are the essence of what's right in BGTSCC, they can be anyone and do anything even if to outsiders they fit in a very narrow box of medium non-adult RP.
We've got flaws and we're given a hard time for it, but guess what, hard times breed hard gnomes and that's the story of our 2 constitution bonus.

So yeah, I'm not biased, I just have good taste, what do you have?

Garl bless you, and Garl bless the Gnomocracy!

Should try joining a/the party instead of complaining.

[Hoihe]

Replace 'mask' with 'full disguise' and that could make sense.

I've seen obvious drow in masks acting as if they shouldn't be recognized as drow... what with their stark white hair, coal black skin, red eyes and small frame.

If I see a drow on the surface, it better be disguised well, or it's getting a beat down or something.

That's just the way she goes boys.

Two facts. Consider them fun or not.

First:

Drow have pitch black skin.
Moon elves can have a shade of blue, that by default, on the default elf face, looks greyish/blue.
Moon elves can have stark white hair.
Moon elves are smaller frame than humans.

Second:

Endeylon/Lucy has allowed a number of people to play Warhammer esque characters by making their width/height larger than normal.

But she has also allowed people to play smaller than normal characters, too!

Conclusion:

Not everything is a drow that has "dark skin" (seriously, drow have black skin, not grey/blue. This is not the Elder Scrolls with their dunmer), or white hair (moon elf, aasimar), or small build.

Don't go happy hour PvP rampage after seeing someone is smaller than normal. I dare say, with the limited range of in game appearances and the fact that drow are incredibly rare, and that there is supposed to be many more NPCs than PCs... I have to ask if you go about murdicating young humans/humans from kozakura/shou long etc.

[Kagger911]

Replace 'mask' with 'full disguise' and that could make sense.

I've seen obvious drow in masks acting as if they shouldn't be recognized as drow... what with their stark white hair, coal black skin, red eyes and small frame.

If I see a drow on the surface, it better be disguised well, or it's getting a beat down or something.

That's just the way she goes boys.

Two facts. Consider them fun or not.

First:

Drow have pitch black skin.
Moon elves can have a shade of blue, that by default, on the default elf face, looks greyish/blue.
Moon elves can have stark white hair.
Moon elves are smaller frame than humans.

Second:

Endeylon/Lucy has allowed a number of people to play Warhammer esque characters by making their width/height larger than normal.

But she has also allowed people to play smaller than normal characters, too!

Conclusion:

Not everything is a drow that has "dark skin" (seriously, drow have black skin, not grey/blue. This is not the Elder Scrolls with their dunmer), or white hair (moon elf, aasimar), or small build.

Don't go happy hour PvP rampage after seeing someone is smaller than normal. I dare say, with the limited range of in game appearances and the fact that drow are incredibly rare, and that there is supposed to be many more NPCs than PCs... I have to ask if you go about murdicating young humans/humans from kozakura/shou long etc.

Why not? I'd love to murder a moon elf and confuse it for a drow due to it wearing a mask for no reason in the surface.

[7threalm]

Soubar Fashion Police - or the SFP

The only true law of soubar,

[Kagger911]

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Soubar Fashion Police - or the SFP

The only true law of soubar,

[Fionn]

Conclusion:

Not everything is a drow that has "dark skin" (seriously, drow have black skin, not grey/blue. This is not the Elder Scrolls with their dunmer), or white hair (moon elf, aasimar), or small build.

Seriously, my former pirate Sun Elf with a dark BROWN skin is getting tired of explaining melanin to racists idiots by the FAI fire. Admittedly, her blonde hair looks a bit white in the moonlight by the fire.