Evasion-free Dwarven Defender
-
Avowed
- Posts: 11
- Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:30 pm
- Location: GMT -5
Evasion-free Dwarven Defender
I've been toying with the idea of trying out a dwarven defender character. Karond's DD has been a pretty well-regarded build, but with evasion no longer working in medium/heavy armor, how would you build a DD now? Would you replace the cleric (or monk, or whatever you used for evasion) levels with more fighter, or maybe try to incorporate a different class that would boost damage since that line of defense is gone?
- Deathgrowl
- Recognized Donor
- Posts: 6586
- Joined: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:10 pm
- Location: VIKING NORWAY!
- Contact:
Re: Evasion-free Dwarven Defender
Get two more dex and wear light armour (mithral chain mail).
Laitae Lafreth, became Chosen of Mystra, former Great Reader of Candlekeep
Nëa the Little Shadow
Uranhed Jandinwed, Guide of Candlekeep
Free music:
http://soundcloud.com/progressionmusic/sets/luna
Nëa the Little Shadow
Uranhed Jandinwed, Guide of Candlekeep
Free music:
http://soundcloud.com/progressionmusic/sets/luna
- Valefort
- Retired Admin
- Posts: 9779
- Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:07 pm
- Location: France, GMT +2
Re: Evasion-free Dwarven Defender
That's the cheap solution, alternatively keep you heavy armor and aim to gather different sets of items to protect you against x elements, immunity % against a given damage type stack and such items drop regularly from the random loot generator.
Mealir Ostirel - Incorrigible swashbuckler
- Calodan
- Posts: 2032
- Joined: Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:21 pm
- Location: Missoula Montana BIG SKY COUNTRY
Re: Evasion-free Dwarven Defender
Just buy +4 Dex gloves from Elves and wear mith chain mail. Only 1 less AC overall.
Kory Sentinel
"We should take the army head on!"
"... it sounds like a terrible idea, but look at that smile."
"And he just sounds so confident ... he is a favored soul."
"Even if we don't survive, he will, and isn't that what matters?" -Red Lancer
"We should take the army head on!"
"... it sounds like a terrible idea, but look at that smile."
"And he just sounds so confident ... he is a favored soul."
"Even if we don't survive, he will, and isn't that what matters?" -Red Lancer
-
Sun Wukong
- Posts: 2837
- Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:05 pm
Re: Evasion-free Dwarven Defender
What are the evasion changes anyhow... since I do not see them listed anywhere?
" I am no longer here, the elves of the Sword Coast are just far too horrible... "
- Elminster, probably.
-
Sun Wukong
- Posts: 2837
- Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:05 pm
Re: Evasion-free Dwarven Defender
I might just make something like a Fighter/Dwarven Defender/Divine Champion...Avowed wrote:I've been toying with the idea of trying out a dwarven defender character. Karond's DD has been a pretty well-regarded build, but with evasion no longer working in medium/heavy armor, how would you build a DD now? Would you replace the cleric (or monk, or whatever you used for evasion) levels with more fighter, or maybe try to incorporate a different class that would boost damage since that line of defense is gone?
" I am no longer here, the elves of the Sword Coast are just far too horrible... "
- Elminster, probably.
- Valefort
- Retired Admin
- Posts: 9779
- Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:07 pm
- Location: France, GMT +2
Re: Evasion-free Dwarven Defender
Evasion doesn't work in medium or heavy armor anymore, Fighter/Barbarian/Paladin/Man-at-Arms get a free feat at level 8 giving them 15% (medium)/20%(heavy) immunity against all elemental damage when they wear a medium or heavy armor.
Mealir Ostirel - Incorrigible swashbuckler
-
Sun Wukong
- Posts: 2837
- Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:05 pm
Re: Evasion-free Dwarven Defender
Oh, okay! Umm... can that resistance be turned off? In case someone casts Energy Immunity on me... which bumps the resistance to 115% or 120%... And the game engine gives me 15% or 20% damage weakness...Valefort wrote:Evasion doesn't work in medium or heavy armor anymore, Fighter/Barbarian/Paladin/Man-at-Arms get a free feat at level 8 giving them 15% (medium)/20%(heavy) immunity against all elemental damage when they wear a medium or heavy armor.
" I am no longer here, the elves of the Sword Coast are just far too horrible... "
- Elminster, probably.
- Valefort
- Retired Admin
- Posts: 9779
- Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:07 pm
- Location: France, GMT +2
Re: Evasion-free Dwarven Defender
No, and the way energy immunity works is not through percentage but through a 9999 DR to that damage type, don't ask me why 
Mealir Ostirel - Incorrigible swashbuckler
-
Sun Wukong
- Posts: 2837
- Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:05 pm
Re: Evasion-free Dwarven Defender
Just remembering that if cast both Shadow Shield and Death Ward on the same creature, the 100% immunity to negative damage from both actually turned into a 50% vulnerability to negative damage.Valefort wrote:No, and the way energy immunity works is not through percentage but through a 9999 DR to that damage type, don't ask me why
I think Energy Immunity had the same issue, if cast with something that also provided X% of damage reduction, such as Elemental Shield.
I guess Energy Immunity has been changed then - or I remember something else.
" I am no longer here, the elves of the Sword Coast are just far too horrible... "
- Elminster, probably.
- mrm3ntalist
- Retired Staff
- Posts: 7746
- Joined: Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:31 pm
- Location: US of A
Re: Evasion-free Dwarven Defender
There was never an issue with Energy Immunity
We will need to test shadow shield and death ward. If it is happening maybe this can be fixed.
The only current issue that i have seen now is with DR. For example if you cast premonition then Shadow Shield, the DR10(SS) is used instead of DR30 ( premonition )
We will need to test shadow shield and death ward. If it is happening maybe this can be fixed.
The only current issue that i have seen now is with DR. For example if you cast premonition then Shadow Shield, the DR10(SS) is used instead of DR30 ( premonition )
Mendel - Villi of En Dharasha Everae | Nikos Berenicus - Initiate of the Mirari | Efialtes Rodius - Blood Magus | Olaf Garaeif - Dwarven Slayer
Spelling mistakes are purposely entered for your entertainment! ChatGPT "ruined" the fun 
- Babuguuscooties
- Posts: 496
- Joined: Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:20 pm
Re: Evasion-free Dwarven Defender
As a wizard this is good to know lol. What about Greater Stoneskin/Stoneskin? Does those stack, or does one override the other?mrm3ntalist wrote:There was never an issue with Energy Immunity
We will need to test shadow shield and death ward. If it is happening maybe this can be fixed.
The only current issue that i have seen now is with DR. For example if you cast premonition then Shadow Shield, the DR10(SS) is used instead of DR30 ( premonition )
I play Nedrin <3
- Tsidkenu
- Posts: 3962
- Joined: Tue May 27, 2014 12:04 am
- Location: Terra Nullis
Re: Evasion-free Dwarven Defender
The highest DR is supposed to take precedence. You should have 20/adamantine until your Greater Stoneskin expired, at which point the 10/adamantine from Stoneskin would take over. Whether it actually works that way is another question entirely.
VAULT WIPED BY REQUEST
Former Player of
Mae yr Machshikhah
Araphella
Acorn
Schezalle (UD)
Aeili Azenci
Former Player of
Mae yr Machshikhah
Araphella
Acorn
Schezalle (UD)
Aeili Azenci
- Wyatt
- Posts: 671
- Joined: Sun May 22, 2016 7:44 am
- Location: Tombstone
Re: Evasion-free Dwarven Defender
There is still a problem with dragonslayer/warlock dr overriding warlock dr from dark premonition as well.
*Yellow text means the marshall is in town*
-
Sun Wukong
- Posts: 2837
- Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:05 pm
Re: Evasion-free Dwarven Defender
Change EffectDamageImmunity to EffectDamageResistance(DAMAGE_TYPE_NEGATIVE, 9999, 0);mrm3ntalist wrote:We will need to test shadow shield and death ward. If it is happening maybe this can be fixed.
That's all gibberish to me, just saying.
" I am no longer here, the elves of the Sword Coast are just far too horrible... "
- Elminster, probably.