The "Epic Store"

[Calodan]

Having special rewards needs to be carefully controlled though, to avoid accusations of favoritism.

This right here needs to stop. Just stop parroting this. I don't care if there is favoritism. FOr gods sake this line right here is why DMs are afraid to award a fecking thing. There are no needs for any controls that the team and server have not already done.

Oh don't worry DMs have been handing out rings of regen and cloaks with level 30 racial amounts of spell resistance. But to think because people call out favoritism, DMs are going to reward these less, that's just as logical as saying they're gonna award them to everyone so there's no favoritism anymore.

Also if you don't care about silly rewards being handed out between friends, that's fine and no one is censoring you, other people are allowed to care about favoritism just as well without getting shut down.

I said there are rules in place for that. I.E. THERE ARE NO NEED FOR ANY CONTROLS THAT THE TEAM AND SERVER HAVE NOTE ALREADY DONE.....

Other people need to stop parroting the favoritism and more controls. It is just ridiculous. IT IS A GAME. Or at least it was before we went full human on it and decided to wreck it with controls and silly rules.

[Calodan]

I said there are rules in place for that. I.E. THERE ARE NO NEED FOR ANY CONTROLS THAT THE TEAM AND SERVER HAVE NOTE ALREADY DONE.....

Other people need to stop parroting the favoritism and more controls. It is just ridiculous. IT IS A GAME. Or at least it was before we went full human on it and decided to wreck it with controls and silly rules.

Caps and curse words hardly help people agree with you...
Anyway the controls exist because people have abused the powers they were given, it's hardly a new issue. The rotten however-many that spoiled the bunch, and it wasn't regular players that put the controls, they don't have that power to begin with, it was the higher ups that had all the inside info. If there are any controls anyway, I'm not actually privy to that information. I'm sure high epic rewards need hdm authorization or something.

Okay got some breakfast. Should not post when I am Hangry.

I agree with some controls. I.E. DMs making sure HDMs are in the know of items they wish to hand out and approved. What I do not agree with is people every other thread about items calling out for more than what is in place already. Having been here for 4+ years I think I can safely state that the ones in place already are working for the most part. YES you have some that do not obey the rules. This happens. The controls weeded them out and the server corrected it with the action that was established by the current controls.

What I also hate is the need to be whiny about it. YES I whine from time to time. It gets frustrating trying to figure exactly what kind of RP here rates some of the best rewards. (This most likely being me entirely) This also is dependent on the DM I would think. Each has their own criteria for what they want to reward and that has to tow the line of the server rules for the DMs. That is fine. No issue.

Now the one thing I think I have advocated for in the past is a DM token system and value put on these tokens. You earn tokens based on DM events or other mechanisms. I.E. Loot System, Fishing System, RP System. If possible. 1/hour not more than 2 awarded for an event. Make them un-droppable. People can choose their reward at the end. Standard XP reward, Standard Gold reward, Standard Token Reward.


Make a enchantment list and what can be done for items and added on based on tokens earned. Make a list of what is allowed on items and how much it can be enchanted.

Then make a NPC enchanter. Do not give this guy items for sale. Make them bring their blade all the way to the master smith. Put it in the shadow plane.

OR

Finally get the crafting system out?

I think a big issue surrounding all of this is customizable gear and ability to enchant it ourselves. Right now the only way is DM event that I know of for anything remotely close to what a PC might want for their build. Though I know the crafting system does not give a way to get truly EPIC items either in the current form. So I still stand by the token system for sure for EPIC enchanting.

[CrimsonMist]

Can absolutely get behind your post-breakfast suggestion, Calodan. +1

[AC81]

Took me a bit to come to this and AC81 had to prod me a bit and semi yell at me over it.

That doesn't sound like something I'd do.

Are people really getting items that good off DM rewards? Level 30 racial SR items should be a big 'no'. That's not something that drops, nor can it be bought. So straight away that means that a DM has given out an item without getting it approved ... or the approval has been swept under the rug. I'm all for earning gear, but that seems shifty.

[Steve]

It gets frustrating trying to figure exactly what kind of RP here rates some of the best rewards.

I would offer, Calodan, that there IS NO exact kind of RP that rates the best rewards. It is YOUR RP that matters, and, that should be rewarded equally to all others' RP.

Granted, some Players manage to find their way into more direct/personal/long-term/intimate role-play and Storylines—both self-generated and what the DM(s) has generated—and through that investment (time/energy/time/fun/etc.) comes rewards.

I'd also say those rewards are not always superawersomepawningOPgear.

You are probably not looking for advice, but here it is anyway: move on from "worrying" about awesome gear, and who has it, and how to get it. It'll drive you mad, and at the end of the day, pretty minor part of the RP experience that BGTSCC has to offer.

Additionally, if you ARE correct in that the best rewards are given by certain individuals to other certain individuals and you are not one of them, then even more so you had better let this go, right quick, because it will cause jealously and frustration and...that isn't why you come to BGTSCC in the first place, right? RIGHT?!?

[Nyeleni]

I agree absolutely with Steve.

Don't expect good drops ever. You should be pleasantly surprised if something useful drops.

And the best gear doesn't even give you that big of an edge over other builds. It just gives you a little bonus, which I personally like that way.

I'm a bit surprised too when I see the prices some players demand for epic gear. It isn't that much better and still the inflation is a fact.
Epic and unique gear otoh is usually and understandably only available for similar items.

And to return to the topic. I don't mind the Epic Shop. Although it could be placed in a better location. I personally like Rockrun for it. It is available from the surface and UD without making a big fuzz.




Oh and Calodan it's not I.E. if you mean for instance. That is E.G.
The first means "id est" from latin that is. And it means just the one example mentioned, is the right one. While e.g. stands in for Exemplia Gratia and means for instance. Where many examples may fit the situation.
Not that you should care. Many make the same mistake.

[dedude]

I'm a bit surprised too when I see the prices some players demand for epic gear. It isn't that much better and still the inflation is a fact.

Inflation happens because more gold is injected into the economy than is taken out. A lot more. Another problem is that the inflation isn't relative to the work done, but solely the time spent doing it, which tips the scale in favor of long-time players. And no matter how little difference from the next-best, the best items will always demand as high a price as the players economy allows.

[Calodan]

May just be me but I really feel like the ring selection is pretty poor across the shops on the server. Maybe server can discuss adding in a few from the loot tables to a couple of the high tier shops? The hellshop rings definitely leave something to be desired. Was a wasted trip for me because all the rings on the surface are really really good compared to +4 Deflection rings with 25% damage increases and 50% damage increases on them. If we were going to put that much damage increase on the ring maybe give it +6 Def? Or just remove them and put a epic +4 deflection ring with maybe +4 lore or something? Nothing too big but deflection rings really free up some options with helms and belts for people. Giving us more options on our builds but nothing that is OP or anything. Maybe I am just crazy though?