Is non-hipsing dex monk viable?

[electric mayhem]

Casting resurrection on the topic.

So with Expose weakness the way it is now.

If you went a Dex build, with decent STR (16-18 area), leaving Wis around 10-12.

How's it sit for a monk, (regardless of race), in regards to AC, Dmg and abilities.
Obviously blazing aura gets removed from the equation.
But would this not be replaced by a decent expose weakness dmg? 2x Dex modifier per round?

Or does the maths work out that overall, because blaze aura applied to all attacks, and high wis keeps up the feat active 80-90% of time, that it outperforms a dex/expose build in dmg overall per round.

[Steve]

But a DEX Monk is most likely using kamas which can have additional dmg properties, and more, which adds to the power mechanics.

[Hendrak]

The solution is dwarf! as always!

The pupil of the Silver Monks:

http://nwn2db.com/build/?283840

AC without buffs 51 or 52(53AC ag a single enemy) + 4 ag Giants

DMG above 250 in a round.

Decent saves.

Very good at soloing stuff.

[spyvsspy]

In fact you can get P-TWF and Blazing together since Blazing's needs just 23wis now. Such like Monk14/Anointed Knight10/Divine Champoin 6. Just make sure that you have 4 bonus feat (9 feats total) after 20

[Steve]

Is it possible to get 25 DEX and 23 WIS without severely min/maxing the Build?

[chad878262]

It is possible since you can leave INT at 10 and dump CHA. STR/CON can be ~11/13. However, it does require some DC levels for Great WIS feats. For a PTWF Monk I would say go M13/A9/DC8 giving 3 extra Great WIS in epics and 5d6 death attack against non crit immune enemies. For Crit Immune you have Blazing Aura so it should work out ok. Start with 19 DEX and 16 WIS on a Tiefling. 6 level up increases gives you 25 DEX meaning you need 6 feats for Great WIS +1 from level up (3 from DC, 3 from other epic feats so no Expose Weakness here, but can get PTWF and Blazing Aura).

Of course this would be a HiPS build and thus not exactly on topic. The Monk/AK/DC build would also work and would allow you to get 25 DEX/23 WIS plus PTWF and Blazing Aura and with 9 Epic Feats to play with you could get Expose Weakness with if you start DEX 20 / WIS 16 or DEX 19/WIS 17. With 7 level up increases your at 25/18 so 5 feats to get to 25/23 leaving 4 for PTWF, Blazing Aura, Epic Prowess and Expose Weakness. Biggest issue I think would be if you can take Blazing Aura with a Bonus Epic Feat (likely not) so you may have to leave PTWF for 30.

[Sun Wukong]

Casting resurrection on the topic.

No wonder!

Anyhow, to the OP:

I think that dexterity based unarmed 'Monk 30' build should be possible on the server. At level 28 tiefling monk gets 3d10 unarmed damage, which becomes 30 damage a pop with a feat called Northlander Hewing. Critical hits are a bane of your damage output, so avoid anything that increases critical hit probability. Not to mention that you can get 6 attacks per round with Northlander Hewing, as long as you have 22 BAB, Greater Flurry of Blows active, and haste effect from Blinding Speed or somewhere else. Additionally, your strength modifier also gets doubled.

I do not think it is all that bad. Oh, and as a pure monk, you should be able to get Self-Concealment up to 30%, if you so desire. The dexterity requirement has been dropped to 27 from 30.



Another non-HiPS to consider could be some kind of a Monk 11/Rogue 19 for Self-Concealment 40%.

[Deathgrowl]

I remember when the server didn't have wisdom to AB. People used to play dex monks to good effect then. Should be fine now too. Dex to expose weakness damage does help where you lose what wisdom opens up for blazing aura and stuff.

[Sun Wukong]

Yeah, the server used to have its share of dexterity based monks. HiPSing and non-HiPSing because that was the only game in town. Well, aside from a Zen Archery based Monk 21/Assassin 9... With those Blazing Aura fueled Shuriken... But who apart from me would even go for such?

[spyvsspy]

Yes my sample 14monk/10ak/6dc means you'll have p-twf, blazing and expose weakeness together. Plus some helpful damage before you can use blazing. Then you need 20dex and 16wis and at least 4 bonus feats after 20. Of couse the best race for such a build is deep gnome. You can start with 20dex and 18wis for 13Monk/5SD/8DC/4Tempest or Dragon Warrior. Blazing + P-TWF + Expose Weakeness + Epic Dodge, and HIPS if you are willing to use. Good attack-defense integrating.