Steve wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:30 am
What I do not like, is that whilst play any IC, many characters are shunted over baseless rumours and actively bullied to the point of it causing out of game stress for them
This is a paradox in writing, which can lead one to believe there is a paradox in thinking.
A Character CANNOT be bullied to cause “out of game” stress because a Character cannot BE OOC, or out of game. To reference, who is the “them” you write about? Understand my point?
Cinnamon, in your posts, both on this thread and the others you have posted recently, there are many, many instances where the words you choose and the grammar you employ are mixing up IC (a PC/IG aspect) with OOC (the Player) aspect.
Like with what I quoted from you above, it makes it near impossible to truly understand whether you, Cinnamon the Player, are addressing IC or OOC issues, or both, and that leads to a nonsense jumble and basic difficulty understanding you, and little ability to even reason with you.
Additionally, imho, it is a turn off, such complicated and mixed up writing and perhaps thinking. It will not gain you understanding and support, and in many instances, is Server Rule breaking, not to forget to mention offensive to some players that you directly or indirectly call out.
I am writing you this, posting this, so that maybe you can sit back a minute, clear your thoughts, prepare them to isolate the IC/IG comments from the OOC comments, and with calm and attention to detail, clearly and concisely present your words, thus your thoughts.
I've always had an extremely hard time not making my comments and posts personalised because I've had to learn to talk this way to defend myself in many conversations, it's still something I am working on as a person, but it's not going anywhere anytime soon. It's hard ingrained for many reasons I won't shed light on here.
I will be editing this as I go, as per usual.
Lastly, other Players are also trying to point this out to you, your often misrepresentation of IC and OOC moments and issues, and if you are looking for both recognition and support, you have got to make a greater effort in separating the two in your posts, AND most importantly, in your perception in and out of the Game.
I never take anything IC as OOC unless there is a repeated series of history over a week or month of play.
Player A plays Charlie, Alice and Bob.
Player B plays Alex and Reggie
Player B's Alex has never met Alice or Bob, but has met Charlie.
Player A is in the same boat.
Player A's Charlie and Alex have a bad argument IC, they never take anything OOC - This will be important for later.
Alice & Bob then start harrassing Player B's Reggie and Alex, at various times through-out the week, when they had never met before.
Player A has an OOC agenda, they are griefing Player B because the RP was not to their liking.
Player B came forward and apologised for the incident.
Player A said they felt they were attacked through a character and decided to do the same to get back.
- This will be important for later;
Because the two players never broke away from characters, to talk about how they felt about the RP, and didn't thank each other for a great session, one of them got upset, and the other had no idea because the complaint was never fielded for a discussion.
Both players were quite reasonable in their approach and behaviour, however one of them acted on impulse, and one of them was bullied.
This is a minor incident, but proves the long chain of history that the NWN2 community often struggles with.
You need to break away from the immersion and start acting like a person managing content, otherwise you will find yourself in a deep hole you cannot climb out of.
This has became quite apparent with some personalities we have in this Community, I have heard nasty things about them, because they refuse to OOC and otherwise.
It's just a result I have picked up as an everyday active robotic user. It is in means the absolute truth of every situation, but it is clear during 2019 - 2020, there were still people who did this.
Those people have mostly left now, there's only a few I could name. The server seems a lot better, I don't feel as bullied anymore.
The toxicity has died down, in my opinion, with the leaving of certain members.
Point is, we are here to collaborate a story with a melding pot of many personalities, doubly so because one may not be the same you meet out of the game.
If you refuse to respect your fellowman, and put down your book, and yield that other people have a book too, then you will absolutely find issues.
I put my absolute in being as lenient and accommodating as I can, without altering the character's story, as I shouldn't need to physically bend or snap them to make do. I have extended many retcon requests, both for another's benefit of displeasure or because I was unhappy but didn't speak up at the time.
Letting things sink in is never going to work, and ultimately, people need to decide for themselves what works or not, do not let yourself be "forced" into content by ommittance of being vocal.
A Character CANNOT be bullied to cause “out of game” stress because a Character cannot BE OOC, or out of game. To reference, who is the “them” you write about? Understand my point?
You are being obtuse and heartless. People can and will feel bullied by content that excludes them, that harrasses them, that brings them shame, that brings them grief, that allows them to experience their character or their own emotions.
This extends to Characters, as crazy as it is, a character is still a person and some people are quite immersive or possessive of that content or persona being real to them.
You cannot tell people how they might feel uncomfortable, bullied or harrassed by certain content, as some things can and absolutely will trigger a dypshoric response in their brains.
Objectively, some people shoot across the B line and want to report anyone the second they mention a topic they don't like, which is wrong.
Harassment requires someone to overstep an absolute boundary, beginning a conversation with a Cat-Call is overstepping a personal boundary and anyone is welcome to like or not like this sort of behaviour.
Some people are more boisterous than others, and some are more quiet, others more easily rattled.
