In the lovely collection of PrCs of Kaedrin's pack, one of my favorites is missing http://nwn2customcontent.wikidot.com/heartwarder
Was curious if it was just left out because of reasons? I'd love to make a sunite with the sunite PrC but if it's broken or some such thing I understand. Just was surprising this one is missing considering the history of the Temple of Light and all that. I know with the free 5 Cha points it could be abused and I see the potential for it, but it's only a d4 hd, and the rest of it isn't all that exciting but a good RP class (your talking to a lvl 10 SD because I needed Shadow step in my life for a shadow dancer so I'm all about the flavor of the full class rather then stealing 3 levels to have something wanted from a class). Also the requirements of Dodge/Mobility can hinder other spell-caster builds because you have to take two basically useless feats to get into the class, and I'd be even willing to add on some sort of 'diety = Sune' restriction tag onto it if you guys had time to add that in before putting it in the world.
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Re: Heartwarder PRC
The server apparently has some... history, with Kaedrin. I'm not fully aware of the specifics, but it may be that porting any more of his content is impossible. (Not that this has stopped me from recommending a bunch of feats for porting!Anrilor wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:54 am In the lovely collection of PrCs of Kaedrin's pack, one of my favorites is missing http://nwn2customcontent.wikidot.com/heartwarder
Was curious if it was just left out because of reasons? I'd love to make a sunite with the sunite PrC but if it's broken or some such thing I understand. Just was surprising this one is missing considering the history of the Temple of Light and all that. I know with the free 5 Cha points it could be abused and I see the potential for it, but it's only a d4 hd, and the rest of it isn't all that exciting but a good RP class (your talking to a lvl 10 SD because I needed Shadow step in my life for a shadow dancer so I'm all about the flavor of the full class rather then stealing 3 levels to have something wanted from a class). Also the requirements of Dodge/Mobility can hinder other spell-caster builds because you have to take two basically useless feats to get into the class, and I'd be even willing to add on some sort of 'diety = Sune' restriction tag onto it if you guys had time to add that in before putting it in the world.
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I'd be totally fine with you implementing your own version of the PRC. I love my sunites as much as I love my tieflings. So if you wanted to take the time to make your own version of it, hell I'd throw money at the community just for that.
As far as coming off harsh, it was, but when you need to dispel rumors, ya gotta get harsh with it so I totally get it.
As far as coming off harsh, it was, but when you need to dispel rumors, ya gotta get harsh with it so I totally get it.
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So what would we think a homebrew Heartwarder would look like if the +5 cha is to powerful to lock to a single religion along with d4 HD and medium BAB?
Drop from +5 to +3 cha?
Drop from medium to low BAB?
how would we want to implement the other skills that come with the PrC?
https://www.realmshelps.net/charbuild/c ... rder.shtml
An online reference of what the pnp class is?
I'm up for discussion and brainstorming.
Drop from +5 to +3 cha?
Drop from medium to low BAB?
how would we want to implement the other skills that come with the PrC?
https://www.realmshelps.net/charbuild/c ... rder.shtml
An online reference of what the pnp class is?
I'm up for discussion and brainstorming.
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So I am going to dust this off again, cause I still want this, however, I am willing to give concessions up of getting rid of the +5 Cha in place of all of the fey heritage feats in place of it. So the Class would look like this.
Heartwarder PrC
Requirements
Alignment: Chaotic good.
Diety: Sune
Skills: Bluff 3 ranks , Diplomacy 6 ranks ,Speak Language (Sylvan) 1 ranks
Feats: Dodge , Mobility , Spell Focus (Enchantment) , Exotic Weapon Proficiency
Spells: Ability to cast 3rd-level spells.
Ability: Charisma 19
Base Save Bonus: Ref +2.
Hit die: d4
Skill points: 2 + Int
Class Features
Weapon and Armor Proficiency: A heartwarder gains no weapon or armor proficiencies.
Spells per Day/Spells Known: At each heartwarder level, the character gains new spells per day (and spells known, if applicable) as if she had also gained a level in a spellcasting class to which she belonged before adding the prestige class level. She does not, however, gain any other benefit a character of that class would have gained (improved chance of turning or destroying undead, metamagic or item creation feats, and so on). If the character had more than one spellcasting class before becoming a heartwarder, the player must decide to which class to add each heartwarder level for the purpose of determining spells per day and spells known.
Charisma Increase (Ex): As the heartwarder gains levels in this prestige class, she becomes increasingly more persuasive and attractive. At level 1 she gains a +1 inherent bonus to her Charisma score, and every other heartwarder level after that this bonus increases by +1 to a maximum of +5 inherent bonus at level 9.
Fey Heritage progression: As the Heartwarder gains levels in this Prestige Class she attunes her body to the natural beauty of the world, which culminates in a Fey Metamorphosis of the body and soul. At Heartwarder level 1 she gains Fey Heritage feat for free.
Heart of Passion (Ex): At 2nd level, a heartwarder evinces such passionate belief in whatever she does or says that she can sway the thoughts of the most rigid critic. This ability translates into a +2 bonus on all Charisma-based skill checks.
Fey Power: At 3rd Level, the Heartwarder's convictions strengthen with her beauty, increasing the power of her enchantment spells or invocations (by DC +1)
Lips of Rapture (Su): At 4th level, a heartwarder's kiss confers a state of bliss upon its recipient, conferring a +2 morale bonus on attacks, weapon damage, checks, and saves. Moreover, it temporarily suspends the effects of exhaustion, fatigue, and nausea. An enraptured recipient receives a +2 saving throw bonus against enchantment spells and effects. This ability lasts 5 rounds, and can be used a number of times per day equal to her Charisma bonus. The one downside to a heartwarder's kiss is that it also has the effect of a daze spell upon the recipient (the normal saving throw applies) as if cast by a sorcerer of heartwarder's caster level.
Fey Presence: At the 5th level, a Heartwarder's presence is calming, warming, and loving, and she can invoke sleep by simply cradling people in her loving arms. This loving presence can act as if she cast Deep Slumber and be used three times a day.
Voice of a Siren (Su): At 6th level, a heartwarder's voice is so enticing that she weakens the ability of opponents to resist her spells. She gains the Spell Focus (Enchantment) and Spell Penetration feats, but they only apply to spells with a verbal component (and are not altered with the Silent Spell feat).
Fey Legacy: At the 7th Level, a Heartwarder can call upon her fey like being to confuse the minds of her enemies, she can do this three times a day.
Tears of Evergold (Su): At 8th level, as a fullround action, a heartwarder can cry tears drawn from Evergold, a sacred pool that enhances beauty that Sune shares with the elven goddess Hanali Celanil. If these tears are collected, they are equivalent to the effects of a potion of love and serve the Sunite faith as holy water. A heartwarder can use this ability once per tenday, and while it does not cost her any gold to do so, calling upon the power of the pool requires her to spend 6 XP, just as if she had made the potion with the Brew Potion feat.
Fey Skin: At the 9th Level, a Heartwarder body hardens like those of her kin, becoming weak only to cold Iron.
Fey Metamorphosis: At 10th level, a heartwarder is so attuned to the forces of natural beauty that she transcends mortal definitions of beauty. Her type changes to "fey," which means, among other things, that she is no longer affected by spells that specifically target humanoids, such as charm person.
Advancement
Level | BAB | Fort | Ref | Will | Special | Spells per Day
1st | +0 | +2 | +0 | +2 | Fey Heritage | +1 level of existing class
2nd | +1 | +3 | +0 | +3 | Heart of passion | +1 level of existing class
3rd | +2 | +3 | +1 | +3 | Fey Power | +1 level of existing class
4th | +3 | +4 | +1 | +4 | Lips of rapture | +1 level of existing class
5th | +3 | +4 | +1 | +4 | Fey Presence | +1 level of existing class
6th | +4 | +5 | +2 | +5 | Voice of a siren | +1 level of existing class
7th | +5 | +5 | +2 | +5 | Fey Legacy | +1 level of existing class
8th | +6 | +6 | +2 | +6 | Tears of Evergold | +1 level of existing class
9th | +6 | +6 | +3 | +6 | Fey Skin | +1 level of existing class
10th | +7 | +7 | +3 | +7 | Fey Metamorphosis | +1 level of existing class
Skills: Bluff, Concentration, Diplomacy, Heal, Lore: Religion, Lore: Arcana, Perform, Spellcraft
So the reason I put the Fey heritage feats in the order I did, was you need the 'Fey Heritage' feat to gain access to the rest of them, so of course that should be the first one. Fey Power makes sense as Heart of Passion adds to DC of spells, then so too should Fey Power be near it, and also has no level requisites. Fey Presence has a level requisite of level 6, and by the time you are in PrC land you are able to take a level 6 feat. also sleep is less powerful then the next one, Fey Legacy, which has a level 9 requisite and is 3x confusion at CL. Fey Skin only stacks with the fey heritage feats, so placing it last gives it the highest impact once you get it, and gives you /5 cold Iron DR.
An alterative to this would be to have you require the build of Fey Heritage, and give +1 Cha at the beginning.
All of the other SU feats are already built into the Kaedrin's PrC pack and I wouldn't really want much changed from them outside of the Tears of Evergold to have a CL scale to it, so you could make improved, greater, or perfected holy water depending on CL somehow.
I think this would be a fair trade in place of the +5 Cha that would be declared too high level, and also, it would be hard to do say this, and heriophant together without really being OP because of all the feats you would have to sink into them just to get
Heartwarder PrC
Requirements
Alignment: Chaotic good.
Diety: Sune
Skills: Bluff 3 ranks , Diplomacy 6 ranks ,
Feats: Dodge , Mobility , Spell Focus (Enchantment) , Exotic Weapon Proficiency
Spells: Ability to cast 3rd-level spells.
Ability: Charisma 19
Base Save Bonus: Ref +2.
Hit die: d4
Skill points: 2 + Int
Class Features
Weapon and Armor Proficiency: A heartwarder gains no weapon or armor proficiencies.
Spells per Day/Spells Known: At each heartwarder level, the character gains new spells per day (and spells known, if applicable) as if she had also gained a level in a spellcasting class to which she belonged before adding the prestige class level. She does not, however, gain any other benefit a character of that class would have gained (improved chance of turning or destroying undead, metamagic or item creation feats, and so on). If the character had more than one spellcasting class before becoming a heartwarder, the player must decide to which class to add each heartwarder level for the purpose of determining spells per day and spells known.
Fey Heritage progression: As the Heartwarder gains levels in this Prestige Class she attunes her body to the natural beauty of the world, which culminates in a Fey Metamorphosis of the body and soul. At Heartwarder level 1 she gains Fey Heritage feat for free.
Heart of Passion (Ex): At 2nd level, a heartwarder evinces such passionate belief in whatever she does or says that she can sway the thoughts of the most rigid critic. This ability translates into a +2 bonus on all Charisma-based skill checks.
Fey Power: At 3rd Level, the Heartwarder's convictions strengthen with her beauty, increasing the power of her enchantment spells or invocations (by DC +1)
Lips of Rapture (Su): At 4th level, a heartwarder's kiss confers a state of bliss upon its recipient, conferring a +2 morale bonus on attacks, weapon damage, checks, and saves. Moreover, it temporarily suspends the effects of exhaustion, fatigue, and nausea. An enraptured recipient receives a +2 saving throw bonus against enchantment spells and effects. This ability lasts 5 rounds, and can be used a number of times per day equal to her Charisma bonus. The one downside to a heartwarder's kiss is that it also has the effect of a daze spell upon the recipient (the normal saving throw applies) as if cast by a sorcerer of heartwarder's caster level.
Fey Presence: At the 5th level, a Heartwarder's presence is calming, warming, and loving, and she can invoke sleep by simply cradling people in her loving arms. This loving presence can act as if she cast Deep Slumber and be used three times a day.
Voice of a Siren (Su): At 6th level, a heartwarder's voice is so enticing that she weakens the ability of opponents to resist her spells. She gains the Spell Focus (Enchantment) and Spell Penetration feats, but they only apply to spells with a verbal component (and are not altered with the Silent Spell feat).
Fey Legacy: At the 7th Level, a Heartwarder can call upon her fey like being to confuse the minds of her enemies, she can do this three times a day.
Tears of Evergold (Su): At 8th level, as a fullround action, a heartwarder can cry tears drawn from Evergold, a sacred pool that enhances beauty that Sune shares with the elven goddess Hanali Celanil. If these tears are collected, they are equivalent to the effects of a potion of love and serve the Sunite faith as holy water. A heartwarder can use this ability once per tenday, and while it does not cost her any gold to do so, calling upon the power of the pool requires her to spend 6 XP, just as if she had made the potion with the Brew Potion feat.
Fey Skin: At the 9th Level, a Heartwarder body hardens like those of her kin, becoming weak only to cold Iron.
Fey Metamorphosis: At 10th level, a heartwarder is so attuned to the forces of natural beauty that she transcends mortal definitions of beauty. Her type changes to "fey," which means, among other things, that she is no longer affected by spells that specifically target humanoids, such as charm person.
Advancement
Level | BAB | Fort | Ref | Will | Special | Spells per Day
1st | +0 | +2 | +0 | +2 | Fey Heritage | +1 level of existing class
2nd | +1 | +3 | +0 | +3 | Heart of passion | +1 level of existing class
3rd | +2 | +3 | +1 | +3 | Fey Power | +1 level of existing class
4th | +3 | +4 | +1 | +4 | Lips of rapture | +1 level of existing class
5th | +3 | +4 | +1 | +4 | Fey Presence | +1 level of existing class
6th | +4 | +5 | +2 | +5 | Voice of a siren | +1 level of existing class
7th | +5 | +5 | +2 | +5 | Fey Legacy | +1 level of existing class
8th | +6 | +6 | +2 | +6 | Tears of Evergold | +1 level of existing class
9th | +6 | +6 | +3 | +6 | Fey Skin | +1 level of existing class
10th | +7 | +7 | +3 | +7 | Fey Metamorphosis | +1 level of existing class
Skills: Bluff, Concentration, Diplomacy, Heal, Lore: Religion, Lore: Arcana, Perform, Spellcraft
So the reason I put the Fey heritage feats in the order I did, was you need the 'Fey Heritage' feat to gain access to the rest of them, so of course that should be the first one. Fey Power makes sense as Heart of Passion adds to DC of spells, then so too should Fey Power be near it, and also has no level requisites. Fey Presence has a level requisite of level 6, and by the time you are in PrC land you are able to take a level 6 feat. also sleep is less powerful then the next one, Fey Legacy, which has a level 9 requisite and is 3x confusion at CL. Fey Skin only stacks with the fey heritage feats, so placing it last gives it the highest impact once you get it, and gives you /5 cold Iron DR.
An alterative to this would be to have you require the build of Fey Heritage, and give +1 Cha at the beginning.
All of the other SU feats are already built into the Kaedrin's PrC pack and I wouldn't really want much changed from them outside of the Tears of Evergold to have a CL scale to it, so you could make improved, greater, or perfected holy water depending on CL somehow.
I think this would be a fair trade in place of the +5 Cha that would be declared too high level, and also, it would be hard to do say this, and heriophant together without really being OP because of all the feats you would have to sink into them just to get
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Re: Heartwarder PRC
I would love for other PRCs to be added into this, but i'm not sure behind the whole history but I don't think Heartwader or any other Kaedrin's stuff will be coming here. From my understanding, a lot of stuff that was put in 10 or so years ago is de-evolving, including feats.
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well Heartwarder is a PnP Prc https://dnd.arkalseif.info/classes/hear ... index.htmlARHicks00 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:40 pm I would love for other PRCs to be added into this, but i'm not sure behind the whole history but I don't think Heartwader or any other Kaedrin's stuff will be coming here. From my understanding, a lot of stuff that was put in 10 or so years ago is de-evolving, including feats.
and while Kaedrin did make the class playable in NWN2, we could adjust it to our needs. as the original has free +5 Cha which is why it was left out. I'm trying to show interest because I would love a homebrew of the PrC on our server that I could use with Alyssia.
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I'm willing to dive into a little lore behind it and look at creating an outline for it.
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I might be missing something here, but I don't understand the lore correlation between Heartwarder and Fey?
There was brief mention in Faiths and Pantheons, where most of these abilities are pulled from, but even then it was a singular ability (given at 10th level, mind) not the several attributed to fey ancestry. I don't think it would make much sense to give a Heartwarder fey themed boons, when we have another PrC (Feytouched) dedicated entirely to that aesthetic; one that is balanced with characteristic madness.
I do see what you're trying to achieve, and I don't disagree with the effects themselves, only the implication that they're of fey nature, rather than divine.
There was brief mention in Faiths and Pantheons, where most of these abilities are pulled from, but even then it was a singular ability (given at 10th level, mind) not the several attributed to fey ancestry. I don't think it would make much sense to give a Heartwarder fey themed boons, when we have another PrC (Feytouched) dedicated entirely to that aesthetic; one that is balanced with characteristic madness.
I do see what you're trying to achieve, and I don't disagree with the effects themselves, only the implication that they're of fey nature, rather than divine.
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Heartwarder is the PrC of Sunites, who love aestecits and beauty, what is the most beautiful creature? a Nymph, so the fey metamorphosis in the PrC I always in my head was 'transforms into Nymph' because in PnP you would actually change your race from human or elf to fey, and you would gain your new abilities as that race. IE the immunity to sleep and charm, and so on.MissClick wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:18 pm I might be missing something here, but I don't understand the lore correlation between Heartwarder and Fey?
There was brief mention in Faiths and Pantheons, where most of these abilities are pulled from, but even then it was a singular ability (given at 10th level, mind) not the several attributed to fey ancestry. I don't think it would make much sense to give a Heartwarder fey themed boons, when we have another PrC (Feytouched) dedicated entirely to that aesthetic; one that is balanced with characteristic madness.
I do see what you're trying to achieve, and I don't disagree with the effects themselves, only the implication that they're of fey nature, rather than divine.
Also the Heartwarder isn't neccessarily divine caster only. just charisma caster of the Sunite faith. So you could have a Heartwarder Sorc, Heartwarder bard, or Heartwarder Warlock if you wanted as well. in PnP it is not locked to divine casters only, but that aspect is like the Knights of the Ruby Rose (Sunite Knight Order) accepting bards and sorcs into their ranks.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/HeartwarderWith advanced training a heartwarder could achieve perfect union with the ideals of their goddess, becoming a personification of beauty by mortal standards. At this point a heartwarder became a creature of the fey, along with all their inherent strengths.[5]
So rather then the +5 Cha bonus that the class normally gets by going all 10 levels into it, that by all accounts of everyone I talked to previously about it saying it was far too OP for the server, I thought why not expand into it's fey connection a bit more?
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A nice little link to the summery of a character that was a heartwarder in a novel
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Joelle_Emmeline
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I don't see the Fey type change happening. Other classes that are supposed to change your type don't (eg spirit shaman), so that would likely be left out for a Heartwarder class, too.
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Right, on nwn2 the race type didn't change you just gained feats that would make your race = to what the racial benefits were, so you got immune to charm and sleep for the "fey metamorphosis" but that would allow you to RP being a fey-like creature
Fey Metamorphosis: At 10th level, a heartwarder is so attuned to the forces of natural beauty that she transcends mortal definitions of beauty. Her type changes to "fey," which means, among other things, that she is no longer affected by spells that specifically target humanoids, such as charm person
So the lore is you gain so much charisma that your beauty transcended mortal beauty and you become fey. But if for mechanical reasons we don't want to give the +5 free Cha that would come with the class then why not push the fey metamorphosis line by giving the fey heritage feats as a build up to fey metamorphosis?
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Also, if we wanted to release it away from the sunite faith to make it more accessible to all CHA based casters, remove the sune religion restriction, but put in the requirement of needing fey heritage, and leave the first level bonus feat empty so you don't get anything on the first level.
Cause if we're gonna homebrew this thing, let's go a little bit farther
((From a side discord discussion about wanting less prc faith based classes)))
Cause if we're gonna homebrew this thing, let's go a little bit farther
((From a side discord discussion about wanting less prc faith based classes)))
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Anrilor wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:07 am Also, if we wanted to release it away from the sunite faith to make it more accessible to all CHA based casters, remove the sune religion restriction, but put in the requirement of needing fey heritage, and leave the first level bonus feat empty so you don't get anything on the first level.
Cause if we're gonna homebrew this thing, let's go a little bit farther
((From a side discord discussion about wanting less prc faith based classes)))
It would go from a three feat requirement to a four feet requirement.