Storm Lord

[Halian]

Way too Nerfed.

You must pick 3 feats to obtain the class, and you lose full spell casting?! I dont see many SL around and I think I know why...

I mean, I guess removing enchant weapon is ok. It is rather unecessary. But, not allowing the class to have full CL makes it rather weak.

You need 3 feats to access the class PLUS practiced spell caster for FULL CL, leaving you with very little feats left to create any build.

Would it be possible to bring full CL back to the class?

Cheers.

[Deathgrowl]

I can think of several ways to build with stormlord that are interesting without buffing it again. It's already a pretty good class. I think the main reason why we see it so little, is that the RP of a talassan priest is essentially just "destroy everything".

But what are you trying to achieve with it? We are quite a few people on this server who spend hours and hours tinkering with builds, so I'm sure some of us could give you some options to get you to your RP concept.

[Halian]

Being able to have full CL so I can save feats for spell focus evocation, greater too. And Having enough feats to also have expertise. A defensive armored caster with some melee capability.

RP wise, destroying everything seems like a logical situation for a priest of talos, but I was considering coing CN.

[Halian]

And trust me, we dont see many SL BECAUSE of the nerf. We have planty of ''let's conquer/destroy the world'' Villians in the server, but very few SL.

[Steve]

The Talos dogma DEMANDS a type of RP that very much limits a Character to interactions. A priest or Storm Lord of Talos especially—one isn’t going to go around shaking hands and being acceptable if those others that do not fear the might of Talos (as ALL should, so sayeth the dogma).

It’s a taxing, high investment RP that likely turns away far, far more players than the “nerfed” mechanics. That said, it IS a pity that being the “Lord” of the powers of the Storm in the name of Talos, you really aren’t that much more mechanically powerful than a level 30 Evocation focused Cleric of any denomination.

As well, how does Storm Lord compare to Silverstar of Selune? Or, Morninglord, in mechanics terms?

[Deathgrowl]

Being able to have full CL so I can save feats for spell focus evocation, greater too. And Having enough feats to also have expertise. A defensive armored caster with some melee capability.

I'm sorry, but that sounds like you're trying to do too much. Stormlord is perfectly viable, and even quite powerful if built for melee (which is what the PRC is rather obviously designed for).

If you expect to have a full CL cleric with self-buffed AC in the mid 60s, high evocation DC and also being able to do decent melee, I don't know what else to say here.

[Young Werther]

Stormlords tho

[Blackman D]

...are you makin fun of my stormlord? *reaches for spear*

[EasternCheesE]

Just few things i would like to note regarding stormlord mechanics.

1) 3 required feats, each of them is useful. Toughness is 30 hp, Great Fortitude is 2 Fort, Spear focus is 1 AB with spears. When we speak about many feats being the requirement, they actually fall in line with battle melee cleric. For example, Weapon master has 6!!! feat requirements and 2 of them do... just nothing, mechanically or rp wise (mobility and spring attack). Since most people do have tumble 10 even if crossclass.
On the other hand, you can look at Eldritch knight. Only thing it offer is high BAB and spellcasting progression. No extra things at all and it requires a wizard to go grab weapon prof. martial. So they either dip 3 levels into something or use a feat for class that has nothing aside of high bab and 9/10 spell progression.

2) As of Stormlord abilities, it's total immunity to electricity, ability to get two minutes of 2d8 electical dmg with 2d8 massive crits (on cooldown, no N/day), 1/day usage of storm avatar extended (if wiki doesn't lie on this) and still can have 30 CL because it's 6/10 spell progression.
Regarding it's medium bab: arcane casters don't have access to AB buffs outside of greater heroism. Stormlord cleric still can lvl 1 and 2 slots for extra 3 AB and 3 dmg. medium BAB 10 levels = 7 AB, high bab = 10 AB. Thus, it's easy to compensate for -3 AB compared eldritch knight, who gets nothing of before mentioned features.

To me, if we change it, it would require to review other hybrid caster classes, because Stormlord will suddenly become very strong mechanically compared other hybrid casters.

[Rain]

I do agree however with the post that stormlord might seem great on paper but once you have actually made a build and put the class in the game to try out you quickly notice alot of its shortcomings.

Its build paths are generally one directional, you cant really use the cool rp display of a stormlord for anything else but shocking a spear and hitting in meele yet in the books stormlords were masters of electricity and offered more then just shocking their weapon. They conjured massive storms, hurled lightning from their hands at will like some palpatine wanna-be and much more.

I think if the stormlord class was just altered slightly to allow more build diversity it would be way better and actually playable. (Considering the entire class is countered by electrical and sonic immunity atm, is reliant on criting, and can’t utilize any other prc other then favored soul and blackguard if you wanted a viable build…. And everyone knows favored soul blackguard is soo over done on BG.)

If the class offered something similar to frost mage but for electricity that would be cool. Take off extra massive crits on its stormburst weapon. And you have yourself something fun.

Or even make it so that their ability to shock themselves (the animation) adds the extra 50% lightning dmg to their NEXT spell or next application of electricity dmg and gives you the shock weapon trait only.

[yyj]

Stormlord is great, I tried one on JEGS and they are as good as most divine casters (of course FvS is still stronger in my opinion).

The cleric spell list is strong enough to carry this class, it's in a very good spot, try it yourselves before saying the class is weak. The class has access to thematic abilities already, it's not OP like frost mage in terms of damage but has many things going for it.

[Rain]

Try it yourselves before saying the class is weak.

Been there, Done that. And can confirm from my own trial and error of attempting to diversify the class and do something that isnt the basic favored soul wombo combo the class is average if you are not a favored soul.

Mind you I tested the class on the actual server and not JEGS which gives you little to no experience on how the class actually functions in different combat scenerios in PVP and PVE.

Current stormlord can be completely irrelevant in 40% of situations where either the target has crit immunity and or elemental dmg immunity storm lord offers. The class offers nothing in terms of improvements aside from buffing a weapon and in terms of what you said: In my opinion if you make a storm lord / cleric you are gimping yourself anyway because sure... "youll have cool storm spells" but what does having stormlord have to do with that? You'd have a better cleric of storms by actually taking stormlord out and replacing it with something else unless your putting stormlord in the build for flavor. It's just fact.

All in all. Stormlord is one dimensional. Gets countered hard and loses alot of benefits to the point that it's outshined by multiple other PRC choices.

1+ ill give to the Stormlord class though...

It looks cool.

[yyj]

Try it yourselves before saying the class is weak.

Been there, Done that. And can confirm from my own trial and error of attempting to diversify the class and do something that isnt the basic favored soul wombo combo the class is average if you are not a favored soul.

Mind you I tested the class on the actual server and not JEGS which gives you little to no experience on how the class actually functions in different combat scenerios in PVP and PVE.

Current stormlord can be completely irrelevant in 40% of situations where either the target has crit immunity and or elemental dmg immunity storm lord offers. The class offers nothing in terms of improvements aside from buffing a weapon and in terms of what you said: In my opinion if you make a storm lord / cleric you are gimping yourself anyway because sure... "youll have cool storm spells" but what does having stormlord have to do with that? You'd have a better cleric of storms by actually taking stormlord out and replacing it with something else unless your putting stormlord in the build for flavor. It's just fact.

All in all. Stormlord is one dimensional. Gets countered hard and loses alot of benefits to the point that it's outshined by multiple other PRC choices.

1+ ill give to the Stormlord class though...

It looks cool.

Sure if you want to rock only OP builds then yeah Stormlord isn't that good...but balancing that way hardly works.

[EasternCheesE]

Let's say i heard your ideas. What i want to focus on is to discuss and give classes and PrCs their unique features. So, they don't get op strong cause high bab/high CL and +18 str passively, but they find their nice balanced RP and mechanical niche because they have their own abilities that make them good in their particular field (and very few classes having similar ones).

To my taste, that makes it better flavored rather than "ah cleric with electric immunity", but, sure, it's longer and more tedious proccess than just playing around with existing variables, both in coming up with right idea and for devs with implementing it.
Please focus your suggestion on some unique features "nerfed" and "underpowered" classes/PrCs should have rather than more AB/AC/CL/DMG.

[Steve]

Give Storm Lords a Piercing Electricity ability, like the Frost Mage’s Piercing Cold.

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