Elves are Underpowered in D20

[Ravial]

That's it. I am sick of all this "Variant Elf Races" bullshit that's going on in the D&D system right now. Elves deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I am talking about. I myself have summoned genuine elves into this world for about 2,400,000 Aether Crystals (that's about $100,000) and have been practising with them for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my elven magic.

Elven parents spend years educating a single child of theirs and train it up to a million times to produce the finest people known to mankind.


Elves are thrice as sharp as humans and are thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a human can do, an elf will do better. I am pretty sure an elf could easily outclass any human soldiers with a simple magical cantrip.

Ever wonder why humans never bothered conquering elven kingdoms? That's right, they were too scared to fight disciplined High Mages and Spellswords of mass destruction. Even in the War of Worlds II, human soldiers targeted any and all elves because their killing power was feared and respected.


So what am I saying? Elves are simply the best creatures that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here's the stat block I propose for Elves:


STR +4 DEX +6 CON +4 INT +10 WIS +10 CHA +10

Infinite sorcerer spells up to 5'th circle natively

Favoured Classes: All

Weapon Proficiencies: All

Wisdom bonus to AC

Deflect Arrows

Epic Weapon Specialisation (Only one, for balance reasons)

Immunity to Enchantment magic

Spell Resistance 12 + HD

Permanent Haste effect


Now, that seems a lot more representative of the power of Elves in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Elves need to have better stats in d20, see my new stat block.

[Dragonslayer]

Yes, but can they grow beards?

[DaloLorn]

Aaaaare you sure this is the best subforum for that?

Edit: Never mind, it got moved to an appropriate subforum.

[Pimple]

Can confirm. All the Elves I met in real life were precisely like this.

[renshouj]

Thank you for being concerned about the balance and only giving them one epic weapon specialisation.
I think this is ready to be shipped out to live

[EasternCheesE]

Thank you for being concerned about the balance and only giving them one epic weapon specialisation.
I think this is ready to be shipped out to live

I don't see weapon finesse granted automatically that works for any weapon. 3/10, i disapprove.
Also, where is hips at lvl 1?

[Theodore01]

just set them to immortal, as they all look lich-like anyway.

[Ravial]

Yes, but can they grow beards?

That would directly attack everyone's masculinity too much, I'm afraid.

Thank you for being concerned about the balance and only giving them one epic weapon specialisation.
I think this is ready to be shipped out to live

I don't see weapon finesse granted automatically that works for any weapon. 3/10, i disapprove.
Also, where is hips at lvl 1?

Well, obviously I'd like to have elves move forward and be implemented in their most realistic way, however, we have to remember that it's a game and there still have to be balance checks. As for the lack of Weapon Finesse, I thought it goes without saying with including proficiency for all weapons!

[whatsittoya]

Yes, but can they grow beards?

That would directly attack everyone's masculinity too much, I'm afraid.

Thank you for being concerned about the balance and only giving them one epic weapon specialisation.
I think this is ready to be shipped out to live

I don't see weapon finesse granted automatically that works for any weapon. 3/10, i disapprove.
Also, where is hips at lvl 1?

Well, obviously I'd like to have elves move forward and be implemented in their most realistic way, however, we have to remember that it's a game and there still have to be balance checks. As for the lack of Weapon Finesse, I thought it goes without saying with including proficiency for all weapons!

I mean elves should have bonus feats every two levels to represent their centuries of intense learning and training, they can easily pick up weapon finesse with one of those right?

[Tekill]

Elves are the tortoise and humans are the hare.
Sure the tortoise eventually wins the race but by that time the hare has produced 10 generations or racing rabbits!

[JIŘÍ]

Just script that humans die after 2 months play time, to represent elven supremacy

[White]

I don't know. I'm not the best with mechanics, but it seems to me like these changes would make elves a bit overpowered.

[EasternCheesE]

Yes, but can they grow beards?

That would directly attack everyone's masculinity too much, I'm afraid.

I don't see weapon finesse granted automatically that works for any weapon. 3/10, i disapprove.
Also, where is hips at lvl 1?

Well, obviously I'd like to have elves move forward and be implemented in their most realistic way, however, we have to remember that it's a game and there still have to be balance checks. As for the lack of Weapon Finesse, I thought it goes without saying with including proficiency for all weapons!

I mean elves should have bonus feats every two levels to represent their centuries of intense learning and training, they can easily pick up weapon finesse with one of those right?

Sounds fair.
On bgtscc, we can level a PC to 30 in like 6 months. That's 7 feats. Your average elf is like 120 Yo, so they should get 14 feats/year. Okay, let's make it 7 cause bgtscc is more intense. Still, every elf should get 7*age feat picks!

[Theodore01]

Just script that humans die after 2 months play time, to represent elven supremacy

How about making elves ECL+10 to reflect their old age.

[Ravial]

That would directly attack everyone's masculinity too much, I'm afraid.



Well, obviously I'd like to have elves move forward and be implemented in their most realistic way, however, we have to remember that it's a game and there still have to be balance checks. As for the lack of Weapon Finesse, I thought it goes without saying with including proficiency for all weapons!

I mean elves should have bonus feats every two levels to represent their centuries of intense learning and training, they can easily pick up weapon finesse with one of those right?

Sounds fair.
On bgtscc, we can level a PC to 30 in like 6 months. That's 7 feats. Your average elf is like 120 Yo, so they should get 14 feats/year. Okay, let's make it 7 cause bgtscc is more intense. Still, every elf should get 7*age feat picks!

I am fully on board with this!