Armor Optimization destroyed studded leather

[Green Monster]

I have the Shadow Legion Armor and took armor optimization. Now it's ac 0 cloth instead of studded leather.

[BloodRiot]

so now it's probably worth a damned fortune for a 30+ Dex sneak

i0'm sure Rhi will get back to you on that but had to say

[DaloLorn]

Have you tried putting it off and on again? Or going through a map transition?

So far this has been believed to be a transient and probably-visual bug.

[izzul]

Visual bug. check the armor AC when you open inventory and the distribution is there

[Green Monster]

Visual bug. check the armor AC when you open inventory and the distribution is there

Nope. It's not. Equipping it raises my AC by 4. It should be 7 (3 base ac, 4 enchantment). It's also changed from weighing 20lbs to weighing 2 lbs. This happened when I transferred it to RCR.

[izzul]

yea, i think thats the original bug

i hade few leafweave that became like that but it happened waaaay last year i thought it does not happened to anyone else

deleted all of them and put in campfire since its the earlier stage of armors

[Rhifox]

You can ask a DM to replace it.

Not sure why this happened, we fixed this bug a year ago as Izzul mentioned.

[Hullack]

so now it's probably worth a damned fortune for a 30+ Dex sneak

i0'm sure Rhi will get back to you on that but had to say

Yeah, I'd happily trade you my shadow legion armor for it. That's really good for a high-dex sneaker. Being a bug, it's likely better to just get it replaced.

[Green Monster]

It happened as a result of an RCR. My halfling bard had the Shadow Legion armor and armor opt and I had noticed the visual bug but didn't think anything of it because the AC still added up correctly. But then I RCRed when I noticed that deadly defense doesn't work with short swords and maces wielded by a halfling. So I unequipped the Shadow Legion, put it in a fire in the nexus, and then picked it up with the new char with a slightly different name ("e" at the end) and suddenly instead of being a 20lb studded leather it's a 2lb cloth.


So now with the new char I didn't take armor opt, I took stealthy instead and am using a +4 ac leafweave.

[Rhifox]

It happened as a result of an RCR. My halfling bard had the Shadow Legion armor and armor opt and I had noticed the visual bug but didn't think anything of it because the AC still added up correctly. But then I RCRed when I noticed that deadly defense doesn't work with short swords and maces wielded by a halfling.

You didn't need to RCR for this, given that it will be fixed. That was a product of coding the check for whether something is finessable/light per pnp rules, but those rules assume the existence of differently sized versions of weapons, which we don't have.

So I unequipped the Shadow Legion, put it in a fire in the nexus, and then picked it up with the new char with a slightly different name ("e" at the end) and suddenly instead of being a 20lb studded leather it's a 2lb cloth.

Okay, thank you for the information.

Likely we will change it to work like staff attunement where you actively optimize an armor, making it untradeable/droppable until unoptimized. This also allows us to remove equip issues with the current auto-optimization function.

[Green Monster]

It happened as a result of an RCR. My halfling bard had the Shadow Legion armor and armor opt and I had noticed the visual bug but didn't think anything of it because the AC still added up correctly. But then I RCRed when I noticed that deadly defense doesn't work with short swords and maces wielded by a halfling.

You didn't need to RCR for this, given that it will be fixed. That was a product of coding the check for whether something is finessable/light per pnp rules, but those rules assume the existence of differently sized versions of weapons, which we don't have.

That's ok. Upon further reflection, this halfling's BAB isn't going to be high enough to run around with combat expertise active all the time like my tiefling main character does. The RCR was a good thing, but I'm glad that Deadly Defense will be fixed for small characters.

So I unequipped the Shadow Legion, put it in a fire in the nexus, and then picked it up with the new char with a slightly different name ("e" at the end) and suddenly instead of being a 20lb studded leather it's a 2lb cloth.

Okay, thank you for the information.

Likely we will change it to work like staff attunement where you actively optimize an armor, making it untradeable/droppable until unoptimized. This also allows us to remove equip issues with the current auto-optimization function.

That is a great idea, I like it. When I noticed the problem with the armor, I got frustrated and took Stealthy instead of Armor Opt and used my +4 leafweave studded. This gives me the same AC as optimized Shadow Legion, but 3 less hide and move silent. Would it be possible for a dm to replace my broken shadow legion AND swap Stealthy for Armor Optimization, or will I need to RCR again if the shadow legion is replaced?

[Rhifox]

That is a great idea, I like it. When I noticed the problem with the armor, I got frustrated and took Stealthy instead of Armor Opt and used my +4 leafweave studded. This gives me the same AC as optimized Shadow Legion, but 3 less hide and move silent. Would it be possible for a dm to replace my broken shadow legion AND swap Stealthy for Armor Optimization, or will I need to RCR again if the shadow legion is replaced?

Replacing the armor is doable of course, but I can't guarantee the feat swap. Given the RCR was due to bugs, though it may be possible, but you'll have to ask them. You can ofc link this thread when making the request.

[Green Monster]

I forgot to add that the Shadow Legion Armor had been altered with the new appearance system. I didn't think that was relevant, but just now I changed the appearance of the leafeweave armor I have and the same visual bug that causes the examine description to show that it's ac 0 cloth has affected that too. I don't have armor optimization at this time. I relogged and same visual bug. I relogged to the other server and that fixed it.

I was tempted to drop the leafweave in a fire to see if the new appearance system was the cause of the shadow legion's destruction, but I was afraid that if the leafweave also got borked I'd be out of luck for armor for this character until such time as I am lucky enough to find a dm. I don't happen to have a spare +4 ac leafweave studded. If you want me to experiment while you or a dm is there to fix it if that breaks it, I'd be happy to, but not on my own.

[Green Monster]

That is a great idea, I like it. When I noticed the problem with the armor, I got frustrated and took Stealthy instead of Armor Opt and used my +4 leafweave studded. This gives me the same AC as optimized Shadow Legion, but 3 less hide and move silent. Would it be possible for a dm to replace my broken shadow legion AND swap Stealthy for Armor Optimization, or will I need to RCR again if the shadow legion is replaced?

Replacing the armor is doable of course, but I can't guarantee the feat swap. Given the RCR was due to bugs, though it may be possible, but you'll have to ask them. You can ofc link this thread when making the request.

Well, since I have no idea when I'll be online at the same time as a dm I guess I will continue on as I am for now. I don't want to shelf this character while I wait.

Oh, btw, to be clear, there are 2 bugs: 1 causes the description to say that the armor is AC 0 cloth but the weight and actual equipped AC are correct. The other bug has actually turned the armor into AC 0 cloth, including weight. The description bug has occurred both because of armor optimization and because of the new appearance customization. I don't now know whether it was optimization or the new appearance system that caused the second, more serious bug.

[Green Monster]

I went ahead and RCR'ed and built around not having stealth bonuses on my armor. Went with the Bearskin Armor from the epic shop, will give me better AC and this character will eventually have 23 levels of bard so I can use Inspire Competence to make up the difference. Hopefully.


Would it be considered exploiting a bug if I gave the broken AC 0 Shadow Legion to my 30 dex main rogue?