BG Content Expansion (poll until Oct 7th)

Thorsson · Unread post by **Thorsson** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:52 am

Such major new changes are a pain in the ass IMO. I shall say no more on the matter.

Rasael · Unread post by **Rasael** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:52 am

Lockonnow wrote:well we a not alow to have more spells then to level 9 right

With the magic replacement system you can have as many spells as you want. It fixes the server crash if someone execeeds 255 spells.

Lockonnow · Unread post by **Lockonnow** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 6:50 am

yes but we still not alow more then up to lvl 9 it dose show up to lvl 10 right

Rasael · Unread post by **Rasael** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:28 am

Lockonnow wrote:yes but we still not alow more then up to lvl 9 it dose show up to lvl 10 right

I had plans to include level 10 for epic spells, but I haven't had the time to add that in. There were also some QC concerns with it that I'd have to think about. And in any case it is contingent on the spell replacement system being used.

Torgerias · Unread post by **Torgerias** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:13 am

Sweeping changes can have cataclysmic consequences (See Star Wars Galaxies and the "combat upgrade"). I am fine with small, incremental changes to address existing issues, but a single, sweeping update that completely changes the existing world in such a drastic way? That's a good way to alienate players and introduce serious bugs into a server that already has an "alienating players" issue. If it is going to be implemented, it should be done bit by bit and with rigorous testing and feedback along the way.

Lockonnow · Unread post by **Lockonnow** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:17 am

well all the server get a this spell system ? and now we talk about change can we get first person view I wish to see who i RP on to?

Rasael · Unread post by **Rasael** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:05 pm

Torgerias wrote:Sweeping changes can have cataclysmic consequences (See Star Wars Galaxies and the "combat upgrade"). I am fine with small, incremental changes to address existing issues, but a single, sweeping update that completely changes the existing world in such a drastic way? That's a good way to alienate players and introduce serious bugs into a server that already has an "alienating players" issue. If it is going to be implemented, it should be done bit by bit and with rigorous testing and feedback along the way.

We're not talking about a sudden big update. When the content train gets going it will be incremental, starting with the light-darkness, and then potentially the combat modules. Or perhaps first a bunch of fixes.

Charraj · Unread post by **Charraj** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:10 pm

mrm3ntalist wrote:2. Its a new system and even though many hours of testing have been put on it, I am sure there will be more bugs with it

This. I am worried that there won't be enough follow-up to troubleshoot all the bugs, and we'll be left with faulty mechanics that will never be totally fixed.

Lockonnow · Unread post by **Lockonnow** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:35 pm

yes like many wizard prc

Steve · Unread post by **Steve** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 4:22 pm

Charraj wrote:
mrm3ntalist wrote:2. Its a new system and even though many hours of testing have been put on it, I am sure there will be more bugs with it
This. I am worried that there won't be enough follow-up to troubleshoot all the bugs, and we'll be left with faulty mechanics that will never be totally fixed.

I still wonder what Luna thinks. There have been plenty of moments to add fixes and/or new content in the last 2+ years, but that has not occurred. I find it questionable to talk about adding even newer content without the Head Admin of the Server giving their support.

Atlas · Unread post by **Atlas** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 5:08 pm

Blackman D · Unread post by **Blackman D** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 5:12 pm

fixing and updating some long awaited bugs and tweaks i think would do the server better than adding to an already long list

tested or not there are things that simply go unnoticed until a system is actually live, and then it gets added to the list and lost in the void

Rasael · Unread post by **Rasael** » Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:18 am

Charraj wrote:
mrm3ntalist wrote:2. Its a new system and even though many hours of testing have been put on it, I am sure there will be more bugs with it
This. I am worried that there won't be enough follow-up to troubleshoot all the bugs, and we'll be left with faulty mechanics that will never be totally fixed.

The problem is we are already in this position.

NWN2 isn't a supported game with patches on the horizon. And there are a bunch of bugs with the stock magic system, such as crashes when someone has too many spells, spell slots which duplicate on login (or disappear), casterlevels can't be modified, new spellbooks couldn't be added (such as assassin / BG so Obsidian did a work-around with feats), dispel magic is hardcoded to use character hitdie instead of casterlevel, etc..

If we want to be able to update things we need to have access to the code: which we don't have, and won't get in the foreseeable future. Obsidian has repeatedly turned down requests for the source-code, saying they're looking to either sell it or make a new game with it.

The Magic replacement system offers us the ability to change and fix whatever we want in the magic system. The only downside it really has is that you can't get spells on the hotbar with their names & icons. You have to link them with numbered feats and remember which number is the spell you want, sort of like remembering in which pouch the right spell-component is.

The bugs can be sorted out... unlike the stock magic system because we can't touch it. We're really stuck with that.

[Edit] Anyway, I am not trying to push this. I didn't develop these things specifically for BGTSCC. They are intended for the NWN2 community, I wanted to give this server first dibs because a lot of folks here helped test and develop it with me.

Steve wrote:
Charraj wrote:
mrm3ntalist wrote:2. Its a new system and even though many hours of testing have been put on it, I am sure there will be more bugs with it
This. I am worried that there won't be enough follow-up to troubleshoot all the bugs, and we'll be left with faulty mechanics that will never be totally fixed.
I still wonder what Luna thinks. There have been plenty of moments to add fixes and/or new content in the last 2+ years, but that has not occurred. I find it questionable to talk about adding even newer content without the Head Admin of the Server giving their support.

Luna asked whether the magic replacement system could be implemented without messing up existing characters, and whether it could be easily reverted.

The answer to both questions is Yes. It doesn't mess up anything, that's why I call it a system-extension. And its easy to revert, it could just be taken down from a server if it causes too many issues, and then the stock magic system will pick up where things were left off.

NeOmega · Unread post by **NeOmega** » Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:22 am

I'm all for it.

I don't even know what it is.

If it can be pulled, then implement it. If it fails, Oh well.

I'd like to see less speed uphills, and more speed downhills.

Atlas · Unread post by **Atlas** » Sun Aug 16, 2015 5:36 am

BG Content Expansion (poll until Oct 7th)

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