Flatted Fifth wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 3:34 pm
I think the idea is that building to include tumble gives such a mechanical advantage over not doing so that it's unfair to those who would rather build for rp than throw in the minimum 3 kevels of swash and rhe able learner feat
But isn't this already the case? Imho, all builds are RP builds. If a player chooses focus on social skills, or oddities over power in fighting/spellcasting/sneaking/etc., then that is the prerogative of the player.
A player who chooses not to add 3 levels of swash to their 14 dex druid should not be mechanically punished for making the right choice, rp wise People should be rewarded for their build reflecting their story, not for going through strenuous twists of logic to make a story fit a mechanically advantageous but rp clunky build
If everyone got +1 ac at lvls 7, 17, and 27 then you and I won't get slaughtered in PvE, we'd get more points for bluff and diplomacy and other social (if we have mobility or spring attack), little or no rebalance necessary, and builds who chose rp over tumble will get reward. Everyone wins
Dragonslayer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:58 am
I love it!
Looking forward to another 14 page thread on how it impedes people's roleplay through arbitrary dice rolls rather than one person's choice to RP or not.
well, in theory, it would work just like our current dice system... by choice unless enforced by a DM. Someone wants to emote fight you or throw stuff or hatever, and you don't wanna engage in roll-offs... well, don't.
Derik "Crimson Bulwark" Ranloss: Thugging for GREAT JUSTICE!!! (yes, I know he doesn't wear red) Headmaster:Bladestone Foundation.
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Ashenie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 5:00 pmIt has been a long and dedicated work to try to rebuild Baldur's Gate in a more accurate form than it is currently.
Sounds exciting!
Have you tested the differing walkable levels with the 3 different camera modes, or are they designed with one in particular in mind?
In strategy mode I notice the camera sometimes gets pretty rough on maps with a lot of height changes.
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Derik "Crimson Bulwark" Ranloss: Thugging for GREAT JUSTICE!!! (yes, I know he doesn't wear red) Headmaster:Bladestone Foundation.
Owner:The Last Anchor Braithreachas Leomhainn "My purpose is to shed blood for those who can't, and to bleed for those who shouldn't."
In the Time of Troubles patch, a comprehensive rework of melee combat will be released. This rework grants various combat maneuvers to all characters, as well as a new combat GUI attached to the mode bar which will allow for easy use of these features.
A 100% RCR will be offered to affected characters in this patch. More details will be given closer to launch.
Type of Feat: General
Specifics: Grappling means wrestling and struggling hand-to-hand. It's tricky to perform, but sometimes you want to pin foes instead of killing them, and sometimes you have no choice in the matter. For monsters, grappling can mean trapping you in a toothy maw (the purple worm's favorite tactic) or holding you down so it can claw you to pieces (the dire lion's trick).
<b>Grapple Checks</b>
Repeatedly in a grapple, you need to make opposed grapple checks against an opponent. A grapple check is like a melee attack roll. Your attack bonus on a grapple check is:
<b>Base attack bonus + Strength modifier + special size modifier</b>
<i>Special Size Modifier:</i> The special size modifier for a grapple check is as follows: Huge +8, Large +4, Medium +0, Small -4, Tiny -8. This number is used in place of the normal size modifier used when making attack rolls.
<b>Starting a Grapple</b>
To start a grapple, you need to grab and hold your target. Starting a grapple requires you to have a free hand, and you must make a successful melee touch attack roll.
<i>Step 1: Attack of Opportunity.</i> You provoke an attack of opportunity from the target you are trying to grapple. If the attack of opportunity deals damage, you must make a Concentration check or the grapple attempt fails. (Certain monsters do not provoke attacks of opportunity when they attempt to grapple, nor do characters with the Improved Grapple feat.)
<i>Step 2: Grab.</i> You make a melee touch attack to grab the target. If you fail to hit the target, the grapple attempt fails.
<i>Step 3: Hold.</i> You make an opposed grapple check. If you succeed, you and your target are now grappling. Once grappling, neither target can move.
If you lose, you fail to start the grapple. You automatically lose an attempt to hold if the target is two or more size categories larger than you are.
<b>If You're Grappling</b>
When you are grappling (regardless of who started the grapple), you can perform any of the following actions. Some of these actions are full round actions.
<i>Release Your Hold:</i> You can always voluntarily release your hold on another character. However, once you are in a grapple, you are also being held. For a grapple to end peacefully, both characters must release their hold.
<i>Activate a Magic Item:</i> You can activate a magic item, as long as the item doesn't require a spell completion trigger (such as a scroll does).
<i>Attack Your Opponent:</i> You can make attacks with unarmed strikes, natural weapons, or light weapons against another character you are grappling. You take a -4 penalty on such attacks. You can't attack with two weapons while grappling, even if both are light weapons.
<i>Cast a Spell:</i> You can attempt to cast a spell while grappling or even while pinned (see below), provided its casting time is no more than one round and it has no somatic or material components. If the spell is one that you can cast while grappling, you must make a Concentration check (DC 20 + spell level) or lose the spell.
<i>Escape from a Grapple:</i> You can escape a grapple by winning an opposed grapple check in place of your normal round. You can also make an Escape Artist check in place of your grapple check, if it is higher.
<i>Pin Your Opponent:</i> You can hold your opponent down by winning an opposed grapple check as a full round action. Once you have an opponent pinned, you have a few options available to you (see below).
<b>If You're Pinning an Opponent</b>
Once you've pinned your opponent, he's at your mercy. Neither of you can make attacks or cast spells against one another, but you have several other options you can use instead. As long as you do nothing else, you can hold a pinned opponent indefinitely (or until he makes a successful grapple check to escape from the pin). You may also attempt to attack your target with an unarmed strike. If you attempt an attack while pinning, your first attack is spent on maintaining the pin with an opposed grapple check. If you fail this check, you lose the pin and all your other attacks for that round.
<i>Execute Your Opponent:</i> While pinning, you can deal damage to your opponent equivalent to an unarmed strike. If you win, you deal lethal damage as normal for your unarmed strike (1d3 points for Medium attackers or 1d2 points for Small attackers, plus Strength modifiers). Unless you are a monk, you take a -4 penalty on your grapple check.
<i>Incapacitate Your Opponent:</i> You can attempt to incapacitate your opponent instead of executing them. This ability is identical to execution, but the damage is nonlethal rather than lethal, and non-monks do not take the -4 penalty on the grapple check.
Use: Selected.
Special: All characters receive this feat for free.
Type of Feat: General
Prerequisite: Dex 13, Improved Unarmed Strike.
Specifics: You are skilled in martial arts that emphasize holds and throws. You do not provoke an attack of opportunity when you make a touch attack to start a grapple. You also gain a +4 bonus on all grapple checks (regardless of whether you started the grapple).
Use: Automatic.
Type of Feat: General
Prerequisite: Base attack bonus +1 or higher.
Required for: Greater Grapple Focus (fighter only).
Specifics: A character with this feat is particularly skilled at grappling, gaining a +1 bonus on all grapple checks (regardless of whether you started the grapple).
Use: Automatic.
Type of Feat: Epic
Prerequisite: 21st level, Str 21, Dex 21, Escape Artist 15, Improved Unarmed Strike.
Specifics: You are exceptionally proficient at grappling. You gain a +4 bonus on all grapple checks (regardless of whether you started the grapple).
Use: Automatic.
Type of Feat: General
Specifics: A character with this feat can attempt a special knockdown attempt. A character may only knock down creatures that are one size larger than itself or less. The attacker a melee touch attack against his target. This provokes an attack of opportunity from the attacker's target. If the touch attack succeeds, the attacker makes a d20 roll modified by his strength bonus, and the difference between his creature size and the target creature size times 4. The defender makes a d20 roll modified by the better of his strength and dexterity bonus. If the attacker meets or beats the defender's roll, the defender is knocked down. If the attacker loses the opposed check, the defender may immediately react and make a strength check opposed by the attacker's dexterity or strength check to try and knock him down.
Prone characters cannot attack. Characters receive a +4 bonus to attack prone opponents in melee, but a -4 penalty to attack them with a ranged weapon.
Some weapons can be used to make knockdown attacks. If a valid weapon is used, the attacker is disarmed if he loses the opposed check instead of provoking a knockdown attempt by the defender. Valid weapons include flails, halberds, kamas, scythes, sickles, and whips.
A character with Improved Knockdown can attempt to knock an opponent down as an instant action, and no longer provokes an attack of opportunity when making a knockdown attempt. In addition, he gains a +4 bonus on the strength check to knock an opponent down.
Use: Selected.
Special: All characters receive this feat for free.
Type of Feat: General
Specifics: The character can perform a disarm maneuver that does no damage, provokes an attack of opportunity, but potentially renders the target unarmed. The attacker and the defender make opposed attack rolls with their respective weapons. The wielder of a two-handed weapon on a disarm attempt gets a +4 bonus on this roll, and the wielder of a light weapon takes a -4 penalty. If the combatants are of different sizes, the larger combatant gets a bonus on the attack roll of +4 per difference in size category. If the attacker meets or beats the defender's roll, the defender's weapon is disarmed. If the defender beats the attacker's roll, he may immediately react and attempt to disarm the attacker with the same sort of opposed melee attack roll. This attempt does not provoke an attack of opportunity.
The attacker can attempt to disarm the defender's mainhand weapon, their offhand weapon (but not shields), or their hands. If the defender wins the opposed attack roll, his disarm automatically targets the attacker's mainhand weapon.
Some weapons give a bonus on disarm attacks. If a valid weapon is used, the attacker gains a +2 bonus on the attack roll to disarm his opponent. Valid weapons include flails and whips.
A character with Improved Disarm gains a +4 bonus on the opposed attack roll he makes to disarm his opponent and no longer provokes an attack of opportunity. In addition, the opponent does not receive a chance to disarm the character.
Use: Selected.
Special: All characters receive this feat for free.
Type of Feat: General
Specifics: The Feint feat can be used to deny your opponent their DEX bonus to AC for a combat round. In order for it to succeed you make a Bluff check with a target DC of the target's Base Attack Bonus plus their Spot skill. Regardless of whether their DEX bonus is removed, you only get a single attack that round (but Haste does stack with it). This feat is especially useful for rogues who can Sneak Attack with it. Any non-humanoid gets a +4 bonus to its DC. And against anything with a 1 or 2 intelligence it gets a +8 bonus to its DC. You can't feint against a non-intelligent creature.
A character with the Improved Feint feat only loses one attack when making a Bluff check to feint. A cleric with the Trickery domain receives the Improved Feint for free, even if he does not meet the prerequisites.
Use: Selected.
Special: All characters receive this feat for free.
Create Diversion (full round action; Huge AOE centered on character)
Type of Feat: General
Specifics: You can use the Bluff skill to help you hide. A successful Bluff check opposed a Sense Motive check by all creatures within a Huge radius of you gives you the momentary diversion you need to Hide while people are aware of you. This usage does not provoke an attack of opportunity.
Use: Selected.
Special: All characters receive this feat for free.
Type of Feat: General
Specifics: You can bash an opponent with a shield, using it as an off-hand weapon. Used this way, a shield is a martial bludgeoning weapon. For the purpose of penalties on attack rolls, treat a shield as a one-handed weapon. If you use your shield as a weapon, you lose its AC bonus until your next action.
A character with the Improved Shield Bash feat can bash with a shield while retaining its shield bonus to Armor Class.
Use: Selected.
Special: All characters receive this feat for free.
Type of Feat: General
Specifics: You can take a penalty of -4 on your attack modifier and add +2 as a dodge bonus to your Armor Class. This number may not exceed your base attack bonus.
Use: Combat Mode.
Special: All characters receive this feat for free.
Type of Feat: General
Prerequisite: Int 13+, base attack bonus +1.
Required for: Improved Disarm, Improved Feint, Improved Knockdown, Whirlwind Attack
Specifics: You can take a penalty of as much as -5 on your attack modifier and add the same number (+5 or less) as a dodge bonus to your Armor Class. This number may not exceed your base attack bonus.
Use: Combat Mode.
Ability: Dexterity.
Requires Training: No.
Classes: All.
Total Defense allows the character to block and parry incoming attacks and make spectacular counterattacks. The character receives a +4 dodge bonus to armor class, but is unable to make regular attacks, cast spells, or use items. This dodge bonus increases by +2 if the character has 5 or more ranks in Total Defense. This bonus increases to +6 if the character has 25 or more ranks in Total Defense, for a total of +10 bonus to AC.
Check: The DC is the modified attack roll of the incoming blow. A successful Total Defense check means that the attack does not damage the character, even if the roll would have overcome the character's armor class. A character may only block a number of attacks per round equal to the number of attacks per round available to the character.
Special: If Total Defense is successful and the difference between the roll and the DC is ten points or greater, a counterattack occurs. A counterattack is a free attack made by the character against the blocked opponent. The first counterattack in a round is made with a full attack bonus and subsequent counterattacks are made at -5, -10, -15, and so on.
Use: Select the Total Defense mode. The character will remain in Total Defense mode until the mode is exited. Characters cannot use items or cast spells while Total Defense mode is active.
Ability: Dexterity.
Requires Training: Yes.
Classes: All.
The character with high tumbling is able to roll away from attacks during combat, positioning themselves safely at all times. When using the Fighting Defensively action, a character with 5 or more ranks in Tumble gains a +1 dodge bonus to armor class. This bonus increases to +3 if the character has 25 or more ranks in Tumble.
Check: DC 15 to avoid attack of opportunity while moving. DC 25 to move through an enemy's space, increasing by +2 for each additional enemy. DC 35 to kip-up after being knocked down.
Use: Automatic.
Kip-Up: Changed from capstone feat to 1st level feat. Automatically succeeds at Tumble checks to stand up immediately after being knocked down (functionally 2 seconds of knockdown rather than the normal 6).
Agile Fighting: First bonus is now given at 2nd level instead of 1st. This bonus increases to +2 at 4th level. Agile Fighting grants immunity to knockdown at 4th level.
Improved Knockdown: Now granted at 3rd level instead of 2nd.
Springboard: Lasts only one round, instead of two. DC now uses TA class level x2 instead of HD/2. Moved to capstone slot.
All Thief Acrobat abilities no longer work if the character is using a shield heavier than light.
Elaborate Parry: No longer gives extra deflection AC per 6 ranks of Parry. Now gives a dodge bonus to AC equal to the number of levels the character has in Duelist when using Fighting Defensively or Total Defense/Parry. (this means a Duelist 10 with >=25 Tumble and >=25 Total Defense/Parry gets -4 AB +15 AC when Fighting Defensively and +20 AC when in Total Defense/Parry.
All characters can equip all weapons and armor, regardless of if they have the appropriate proficiency. When using weapons that you aren't proficient in, you receive a -4 to the attack roll. When using armor or shields that you aren't proficient in, you receive the armor or shield's armor check penalty to attack rolls and all physical skills (Tumble, Parry, Escape Artist, Survival, Hide, Move Silently, Open Lock, Disable Device, Set Trap, Concentration, Sleight of Hand, and Spellcraft.)
Other notes:
- Disarm no longer checks disarm flags on creature blueprints. It will work on all creatures with weapons.
- Tumble no longer gives +1 passive AC for every 10 ranks. Its bonuses are applied to the fighting defensively mode instead, as noted in the Fighting Defensively section.
- Fighting Defensively and the changes to Combat Expertise should ensure that its AB penalties apply to touch attacks. Spells and items can still be used while in these modes, though this may change in the future. Spells and items cannot be used with Total Defense.
- Freedom of Movement can be used to defend against grappling from PCs or Bigby spells.
- Combat GUI can be used while in other forms. This may require changes to polymorph/shapechange/wildshape.
Other features may be included with this patch. This post will be updated if needed.
Did you get the chance to look into the Defensive stance for Dwarven defenders? That is the one feat that deserves a new mode, or some kind of synergy with fighting defensively.
mrm3ntalist wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:29 pmDid you get the chance to look into the Defensive stance for Dwarven defenders? That is the one feat that deserves a new mode, or some kind of synergy with fighting defensively.
Haven't had time. But one thing I'd like to do is give DD 8's their Mobile Defense feature, allowing them to move small distances once a round while in stance.
In any case, one can use Fighting Defensively and Defensive Stance simultaneously. And the new CE, for that matter.
Tarina — The Witch of Darkhold, a dealer in spirits and black magic
I absolutely love the development of it so far to better represent the Baldur's Gate of 100 years later during 5e, but seeing this, I do have to ask: Are there similar plans to further develop the Outer City? Things like Little Calimshan, Whitkeep, and the settlements near the Wyrm's Crossing.
InTheFlesh wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:27 pm
I absolutely love the development of it so far to better represent the Baldur's Gate of 100 years later during 5e, but seeing this, I do have to ask: Are there similar plans to further develop the Outer City? Things like Little Calimshan, Whitkeep, and the settlements near the Wyrm's Crossing.
This isn't BG 100 years later, its 1358. Also why most of the outer city settlements aren't a thing, since they only start existing much later.
Also, since I'm commenting. Absolutely beautiful work! If anything, the only thing I ask is lighting! Making sure main roads and mor populated (and richer) areas are well lit (eg manorborn district), while alleyways and less populated areas are mostly kept in the dark (Heapside)
Winter is coming... Or something like that, idk, you get the joke
Hullack wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 5:23 pm
Sounds exciting!
Have you tested the differing walkable levels with the 3 different camera modes, or are they designed with one in particular in mind?
In strategy mode I notice the camera sometimes gets pretty rough on maps with a lot of height changes.
I have not encountered any problems so far, but I did not test this specific part. The maps will go through several phases of testing before release, so it might be something to be tested. There is no real answer at this point, I am sorry.
By design, the walkable height will not be mandatory to travel through the city. It's an option, so you will be able to avoid all of them if needed.
InTheFlesh wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:27 pm
I absolutely love the development of it so far to better represent the Baldur's Gate of 100 years later during 5e, but seeing this, I do have to ask: Are there similar plans to further develop the Outer City? Things like Little Calimshan, Whitkeep, and the settlements near the Wyrm's Crossing.
There was a close study of the later edition books to pick up details that were only described as old enough to fit in our timeline. This is a collective work with the Dungeon Masters. An example is little Calimshan, that does not yet exist because the migration of Calishite only happens later. There are several patriars not added because they only rise to power later, or locations that are not accurate in our timeline such as Mandorcai's Mansion. We have been trying to verify the possibility for each location to exist in our current timeline, when we could.
So there will be development to the Outer City, but not as wide as described in the 5th edition. If there are things you would like to see or discuss in that regard, such as precise locations to be added, do not hesitate to send a request.
Thanks for you work on this Ashenie. Looking forward to seeing the final layout design from ground level. Just out of curiosity will you also change the sewer network under the city to align with the surface?
Also what's the plan for connecting each of these districts to ensure a players doesn't have to traverse through more than 2* districts to reach their destination from any one city entrance?
* - Assuming that's the limit given the current design
Heretic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 1:00 am
Thanks for you work on this Ashenie. Looking forward to seeing the final layout design from ground level. Just out of curiosity will you also change the sewer network under the city to align with the surface?
Yes, the sewer network will be touched.
There will be the addition of a brand new map, The Undercellar, which will connect several parts of the city according to lore. This will be a rather dark ambianced map (along with Heapside and The Steeps), and a non-fighting one.
Actual sewers maps will be touched too, mostly to get the transition aligned with the surface. There are no plans so far to redesign the sewers completely, though if there are requests regarding this aspect, feel free to send them. The Undercity will get touched too - not overly-, to give a bit more flesh to this part of the sewers, and align with the other Temples remodel for the Temple of Bhaal there.
Other moderate access to the sewers will be added, such as the ossuary under Ilmater's Temple, prisons in the Temple of Torm, and several other cave vaults, which are mostly dead-end with no connections to the other parts of the sewers.
Heretic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 1:00 amAlso what's the plan for connecting each of these districts to ensure a players doesn't have to traverse through more than 2* districts to reach their destination from any one city entrance?
There are no plans so far for such consideration. The main concern was to get everything close to lore.
Actually, this might not be a problem. Given we have two entrance for the city, there is no district map not reachable after two transitions from one gate.
Eastway and The Wide have the Basilisk and Black Gate, respectively.
Eastway connects to Heapside and The Steeps.
The Wide connects to Heapside, The Steeps, and Temples District.
The Steeps connects to Heapside, Eastway, Seatower, The Wide, Temples District.
Temples District connects to Manorborn, Seatower, The Steeps.
However, if you go from Basilisk Gate to Manorborn, for example, you will have 3 transitions. Though, I am considering adding a transition from Manorborn to The Steeps, given we have Manor Gate. Sea Gate already links Manorborn and Seatower, and the district beyond Manor gate is not represented. So it could be something.
It does look amazing! I hope this focus on developing Baldur’s Gate maps will steer more players to bring the city alive with their RP. Thank you for taking in this massive project!
Question I have:
Will there still also be various smaller open houses connected to various doorways, for more general RP?
For example, I know I have frequented one of the generic houses for my own culinary RP, and that the Old Order Meditation Hall is actually just an open-RP house plan. Losing those sorts of opportunities would be unfortunate.
